The 100 Greatest X of All Time Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    .... so show me ... the numbers of C.Ronaldo .... 20 goals .... + assists + pre-assists + key plays or penalties suffered ... so after this ... I'll put the Cristiano Ronaldo ... in the first place on the list ....or ranking list .... as simple as that ! dear mate . !
     
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Johan Cruyff Final 6 ....6 matches ..... 4 goals .... 3 assists ..... 1 Key Plays (penalty suffered ) til here !
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Johan Cruyff Final 7 ........ 7 matches ...... 6 goals .... 3 assists ... 1 key plays .... 0 pre-assist til here .!
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    Johan Cruyff Final 9 ...... 9 matches ...... 8 goals ..... 5 assists .... 2 key plays .... 1 pre-assist( corner-kick) til here . !
     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    Johan Cruyff Final 10 ...... 10 matches ..... 9 goals .... 6 assists .... 2 key plays ... 2 pre-assists til here !
     
  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Johan Cruyff ..... Final 11 ... 11 matches .... 10 goals .... 6 assists ... 2 key plays .... 2 pre-assists til here !
     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    JOhan Cruyff ... Final 12 .... 12 matches ..... 10 goals ... 8 assists .... 2 key plays ... 2 pre-assists til here !
     
  11. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'm not sure that timestamp is right mate (it seems to go to the Van Gaal interview) but anyway you mean the penalty won at 1:35 here on this video I'm posting a link to below I know (and in general you are referring to these additional key plays as penalties won after being fouled I think - direct free-kicks the same I don't know though? IIRC there could be one of those for Laudrup for the Koeman free-kick vs Manchester United in 1991 in the CWC Final for example, although I can't be sure right now, but probably you are only thinking about penalties not free-kicks anyway):
    Torino 2 - 2 Ajax (youtube.com)

    I guess the problem with pre-assists for some of the older players especially could be access to footage with enough of the build-up to goals shown for every Final (maybe who played the 4th last pass will not be visible on the available video? - you are doing well to find various videos in various places anyway though for sure).
     
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  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    Johan Cruyff ... Final 13 ..... 13 matches .... 10 goals .....8 assists ... 2 key plays ... 2 pre-assists til here !
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    .... yes ... i remember this for sure from this Final dear mate Peter Gabriel ... against Manchester United Cup winners Cup 1990/91 .... was a nice plays by Michael Laudrup dribbling past players in this plays i remember this ... then ... Goal by Ronald Koeman ....

    the point is that generally in freekicks from long distance or medium distance fouls are not considered as very clear chances of scoring or imminent danger of conceding a goal to the opponent in question there ... in theory in this case.. Penalty Kick already is consider this
    the distance is very close to the Goalkeeper...really showing an imminent goal danger in this type of move in World Football. !



    What do you think about this ????
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    well ..... Michael Laudrup .... Is Genius ... for sure .... But Honestly ....




    But compared the Michael Laudrup, he's just a little baby among these giants of World Football. It was a mistake on my part for sure....comparing him...with Johan Cruyff.. Messi... Pelé... C.Ronaldo...Michel Platini.... Diego Maradona.....Di Stefano. these players are gigantic.... even to the Zinedine Zidane .... so you can imagine this . !
     
  15. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yes, it makes sense what you say - in Fantasy Football penalties won used to be considered as assists (except if the scorer of the penalty was the one who won the penalty too).

    Of course there can be some cases of dives etc ('illegitimate' penalties won), but in general a penalty won is indeed kind of like an assist (and also a 'Big Chance Created' arguably) because it allows a free shot at goal from the penalty spot.
     
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  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Johan Cruyff ... Final 14 .... 14 matches ... 10 goals ... 8 assists ... 3 key plays .... 2 pre-assists til here !
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    yes .... ('illegitimate' penalties won) honestly ... i don't count this ..... sometimes ... the player in question even don't touch the ball .... only dropdown on the field .... honestly ... i don't consider this like a Key Plays made -in by a player . ! so i don't count this for sure !



    even ... examples this ... like ... The Plays of Ronaldinho Gaucho against Auxerre in the french cup FInal ...don't get to find ... one definition for this lance there .... !! in 2003 .
     
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  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    Johan Cruyff Final 15 ... 15 matches ... 10 goals .... 8 assists ... 3 key plays ... 2 pre-assists !
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    Johan Cruyff Final 17 .... 17 matches ..... 11 goals .... 9 assists .... 3 key plays ... 3 pre-assists til here !
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    ..........Til Here ! Right Now !

    Ranking Rate = Goals + Assists + Pre-Assists (type 1, type 2 ) + Penalties Suffered ( as a Key Plays . ) ......................... !

    Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals .....+ 4 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 11
    Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... + 3 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 6
    Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... + 3 assists and + 4 pre-assists aswell ! + 1 penalty suffered Total = 9
    Ronaldinho Gaucho 27 matches ..... 6 goals .... + 5 assists and .... + 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre french cup final in 2003 ) Total = 12 participations in goals . ! ( * 13 )
    Diego Armando Maradona til here ... Total = 15 matches ... 7 goals .+.. + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists === 1, 46 % Total = 22
    Zidane .... Final 24 matches ...... 4 goals .... 3 assists ans 7 pre-assists til here ! Total = 14
    Michel Platini Final 13 .... 13 matches ..... 9 goals ..... 3 assists .... 2 pre-assists til here ! = Total = 14
    Le grand Alfredo Di Stefano 16 matches ..... 11 goals .... 6 assists ... 2 pre-assists Total = 19
    without the Copa San Martin de Torres Tours Final in 1980 ..... 14 matches ...... 3 goals + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists = 1, 28, 05 % ! Diego Maradona . Total = 18
    without the SuperCup Mundialito 1983 vs Flamengo .... ...... 12 matches .... 8 goals ... 3 assists ..... 2 pre-assists too ! so amazing at all .. Michel Platini this is my real idol with Gullit too and Edson Arantes Pelé .. Johan Cruyff .. Ferenc Puskas . Total = 13
    ... Johan Hendrix Cruyff .... 17 matches ..... 11 goals .... 9 assists .... 3 key plays ... 3 pre-assists = Total = 26

    Diego Armando Maradona average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 28, 05 %
    Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 00 %
    Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 %
    Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 47 , 30%
    Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 44, 44 %
    Zine.. Zidane .... average of participation to the team ================== 0. 58, 33 %
    Michel Platini average of participation to the team =============== 1. 08, 33 %
    Don Di Stefano Le grand average of participation to the team =============== 1. 18 , 75 %
    JOhan Hendrix Cruyff average of participation to the team =============== 1. 52, 94 %





    .......... per Finals disputed for both players !



    CURRENT RANKING LIST ! Updated again .

    1. Johan Hendrix Cruyff == 1, 52 %
    2. Diego Maradona == 1, 28 %
    3. Alfredo Di Stefano == 1, 18 %
    4. Michel Platini == 1. 08 %
    5 . Ruud Gullit == 1 , 00 %
    6. Zinedine Zidane == 0 . 58 %
    7. Dennis Bergkamp == 0.47 % ( 1* penalty suffered( a key Plays ) against Torino Uefa Cup Final)
    8. Ronaldinho Gaucho == 0 . 44 % (1 * + 0. 48 % not defined * French Cup Final)
    9. Michael Laudrup == 0. 37 %
     
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    ..............
    ..........Til Here ! Right Now !

    Ranking Rate = Goals + Assists + Pre-Assists (type 1, type 2 ) + Penalties Suffered ( as a Key Plays . ) ......................... !

    Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals .....+ 4 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 11
    Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... + 3 assists and + 1 pre-assist aswell Total = 6
    Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... + 3 assists and + 4 pre-assists aswell ! + 1 penalty suffered Total = 9
    Ronaldinho Gaucho 27 matches ..... 6 goals .... + 5 assists and .... + 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre french cup final in 2003 ) Total = 12 participations in goals . ! ( * 13 )
    Diego Armando Maradona til here ... Total = 15 matches ... 7 goals .+.. + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists === 1, 46 % Total = 22
    Zidane .... Final 24 matches ...... 4 goals .... 3 assists ans 7 pre-assists til here ! Total = 14
    Michel Platini Final 13 .... 13 matches ..... 9 goals ..... 3 assists .... 2 pre-assists til here ! = Total = 14
    Le grand Alfredo Di Stefano 16 matches ..... 11 goals .... 6 assists ... 2 pre-assists Total = 19
    without the Copa San Martin de Torres Tours Final in 1980 ..... 14 matches ...... 3 goals + 10 assists and + 5 pre-assists = 1, 28, 05 % ! Diego Maradona . Total = 18
    without the SuperCup Mundialito 1983 vs Flamengo .... ...... 12 matches .... 8 goals ... 3 assists ..... 2 pre-assists too ! so amazing at all .. Michel Platini this is my real idol with Gullit too and Edson Arantes Pelé .. Johan Cruyff .. Ferenc Puskas . Total = 13
    ... Johan Hendrix Cruyff .... 17 matches ..... 11 goals .... 9 assists .... 3 key plays ... 3 pre-assists = Total = 26

    Diego Armando Maradona average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 28, 05 %
    Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1, 00 %
    Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 %
    Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 47 , 30%
    Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 44, 44 %
    Zine.. Zidane .... average of participation to the team ================== 0. 58, 33 %
    Michel Platini average of participation to the team =============== 1. 08, 33 %
    Don Di Stefano Le grand average of participation to the team =============== 1. 18 , 75 %
    JOhan Hendrix Cruyff average of participation to the team =============== 1. 52, 94 %





    .......... per Finals disputed for both players !



    CURRENT RANKING LIST ! Updated again .

    1. Johan Hendrix Cruyff == 1, 52 %
    2. Diego Maradona == 1, 28 %
    3. Alfredo Di Stefano == 1, 18 %
    4. Michel Platini == 1. 08 %
    5 . Ruud Gullit == 1 , 00 %
    6. Zinedine Zidane == 0 . 58 %
    7. Dennis Bergkamp == 0.47 % ( 1* penalty suffered( a key Plays ) against Torino Uefa Cup Final)
    8. Ronaldinho Gaucho == 0 . 44 % (1 * + 0. 48 % not defined * French Cup Final)
    9. Michael Laudrup == 0. 37 %
     
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  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024















    Ferenc Puskas Final 1 .... 1 match .... 1 goal ..... 1 pre-assist ( crossing to Hidegkuti later Czibor does the Goal ... ) !
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    Ferenc Puskas ... Final 2 ..... 2 matches ...... 5 goals ..... 1 pre-assist til here !
     
  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Ferenc Puskas Final 3 ...... 3 matches ..... 8 goals...... 1 pre-assist til here !
     

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