The 100 Greatest X of All Time Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Dennis Bergkamp ...Final 6 .... 6 matches ... 0 goal ...... 1 pre-assist .... 1 assist 1 penalty sufferred in this match ( key plays ).... at TransferMarkt they are putting this as assist .. What a lying at all ! as they are making the same with Ronaldinho Gaucho . it's very very stranger for me . ! at all .
     
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 10 .... 10 matches .... 0 goals ... 1 assist .... 1 pre-assist *
     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 11 .... 11 matches ..... 1 goal .... 2 assists ... 1 pre-assist *
     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 12 .... 12 matches .... 1 goal .... 3 assists ... 1 pre-assist *
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 13 .... 13 matches .... 1 goal .... 4 assists .... 1 pre-assist *
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 14 .... 14 matches .... 2 goals ..... 4 assists .... 1 pre-assist *
     
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Ronaldinho Gaucho ..... Final 15 ..... 15 matches .... 2 goals .... 4 assists .... 1 pre-assist *
     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024









    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 16 ..... 16 matches .... 3 goals ... 4 assists.... 1 pre-assist *



    Final 16
     
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  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 17 ... 17 matches ... 3 goals .... 4 assists ... 1 pre-assist *
     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 18 ......... 18 matches .... 3 goals ...... 4 assists .... 1 pre-assist *
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 19 ..... 19 matches .... 4 goals ..... 4 assists .... 1 pre-assist ...( 1 pre-assist* maybe not against Auxerre in 2003* ) ! til here !
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





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    i need your vision and i need your opinion too !!! you does consider this Ronaldinho's pass as an assist ... or as a pre-assist or ... own goal without assist against Auxerre in 2003 in french Cup ?????
     
  13. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    It's difficult to say: with OPTA I suspect it would not be called an assist; with Transfermarkt maybe it would.

    It is not a typical pre-assist I suppose, but maybe on balance that is the best choice for your purposes?
     
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  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    @comme - a request for the moderation here. Is it please possible to move (most of) post #39 onward to other places? The comparison with 'Ronaldinho in finals' and such to somewhere else? Maybe William can condense it down to fewer posts? I appreciate the investigation of the 1991-92 assists and such (which is brought back to one single post and video). I haven't forgotten this and will return to it.

    PDG1978 his reference to the 1989 and 1992 Gazzetta and Guerin Sportivo grades are fine for me (Koeman received a 9 by one or both of them for the 1992 final - just as perspective/nuance).
     
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  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 20 ..... 20 matches ... 5 goals .... 4 assists ..... 1 pre-assist ! til here
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ............ yes .. TranfersMarkt .. counts everything wrongly in my view ... even a penalty suffered the'y are counting As An Assist to the Ronaldinho Gaucho ... yes I decide retire this of being an assist . !
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    ........ I'm just comparing Ruud Gullit performances in finals with Michael Laudrup ... Dennis BergKamp ...and Ronaldinho Gaucho the last one ... to have a good comparison ... those players in the finals only it . !
     
  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    Ronaldinho Final 21 .... 21 matches ...... 5 goals ..... 5 assists ..... 1 pre-assist !
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    Ronaldinho Gaucho Final 23 .... 23 matches ... 5 goals .... 5 assists .... 1 pre-assist ( 1*)
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    Til Here ! Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals ..... 4 assists and 1 pre-assist aswell
    Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... 3 assists and 1 pre-assist aswell
    Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... 3 assists and 4 pre-assists aswell !
    Ronaldinho Gaucho 26 matches ..... 6 goals .... 5 assists and .... 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre final )


    Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1 %
    Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 %
    Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 42 %
    Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 46 %

    .......... per Finals disputed for both ! of them . !
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    ......................Til Here !


    Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals ..... 4 assists and 1 pre-assist aswell
    Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... 3 assists and 1 pre-assist aswell
    Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... 3 assists and 4 pre-assists aswell !
    Ronaldinho Gaucho 26 matches ..... 6 goals .... 5 assists and .... 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre final )


    Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1 %
    Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 %
    Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 42 %
    Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 46 %

    .......... per Finals disputed for both ! of them . !
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    .......Til Here !



    Ruud Gullit 11 matches .. 6 goals ..... 4 assists and 1 pre-assist aswell
    Michael Laudrup 16 matches ... 2 goals ..... 3 assists and 1 pre-assist aswell
    Dennis Bergkamp 19 matches .... 1 goal ..... 3 assists and 4 pre-assists aswell !
    Ronaldinho Gaucho 26 matches ..... 6 goals .... 5 assists and .... 1 pre-assist aswell ( 1 * auxerre final )


    Ruud Gullit average of participations to the team ===== == 1 %
    Michael Laudrup average of participation to the team =============== 0. 37 , 05 %
    Dennis Bergkamp average of participation to the team ================= 0 . 42 %
    Ronaldinho Gaucho average of participation to the team =============== 0 . 46 %

    .......... per Finals disputed for both ! of them . !
     
  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024









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    I really and honestly didn't know that Dennis Bergkamp and Michael Laudrup's numbers were so lowers or weak in Finals in general. Honestly, I was very surprised by the results of the Survey on the finals that they played in. I honestly say this. About Ronaldinho Gaucho I knew more or less about this already.... his bad behavior in decisive games. What do you think about it ???? you knew about these numbers in the finals already ???
     

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