Terrorist attack in France

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  1. JBigjake

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    Nov 16, 2003
  2. babaorum

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  3. babaorum

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  4. JBigjake

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    #6 JBigjake, Aug 22, 2015
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    They may have been honored already:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34023361
    "The American men and Mr Norman were awarded medals for bravery by authorities in Arras."
    Nice BBC interview of Sadler père. Proud, but relieved.
    No medals for the cowardly train staff:
    "train staff entered a private cabin and locked it when they heard gunshots, leaving the passengers alone."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Thalys_attack#Account_of_Jean-Hugues_Anglade
    "We were incredibly lucky to have these American soldiers ... without them we'd all be dead."
    The train reportedly had 554 passengers.
     
  5. babaorum

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    Yes, but that's 'only' a medal given by the city of Arras. That's great of course but the Nation as a whole should show its gratitude for what they did. That's why the Legion d'Honneur exists.

    There were four terrorist attack this year in France so far. Two of them -including this one- were failures or half failures but the situation is quite worrying.
     
  6. JBigjake

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    Stamping "Paid" on his hospital bill will probably be much more satisfying. Vive socialized medicine!
     
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  7. M

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    Note to NRA: subdued by Americans not using guns.
     
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  8. JBigjake

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    #10 JBigjake, Aug 23, 2015
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    Really? If the terrorist had not jammed his own weapon, the death toll could have reached triple digits, including the unarmed Americans, who would have been sitting ducks, along with at least two train cars of innocents.
     
  9. babaorum

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  10. M

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    That is largely conjecture on your part. All we do know is that unarmed civilians ended the incident. Oh, and we also know that in a case such as the Giffords shooting how difficult it is for bystanders to ascertain who the bad guy is or indeed how many bad guys there are. Imagine that kind of chaos unfolding in the confines of a railroad train.
     
  11. JBigjake

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    I cite Colin Ferguson, plus an AK-47.
    You overestimate the ability of people to stop bullets with their bare hands.
     
  12. M

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    That's almost completely non-responsive to the point I was making.
     
  13. roby

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    Wait...what? I thought Frank died in his sleep!! :confused:
     
  14. JBigjake

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    Let's review.
    Your snide reference to the NRA implied that unarmed Americans can battle armed terrorists.
    My response was that if the firearm hadn't jammed, those Americans would be as dead as all the other passengers.
    You called that conjecture.
    I responded by mentioning a man who shot 25 Americans in a train car, with 30 bullets, before he was jumped while reloading for the second time, preventing dozens more from being shot.
    You called that non-responsive.
     
  15. Belgian guy

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    I thought before these three guys managed to tackle him, he had first been fought by a Frenchman and an American professor. Supposedly the Frenchman tried to wrestle away the gun the moment the guy emerged from the bathroom.
     
  16. Belgian guy

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    There was a former Belgian minister (Inge Vervotte) in the next car.
     
  17. JBigjake

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    #19 JBigjake, Aug 24, 2015
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    There have been some reports that a Frenchman tried to disarm the gunman outside the toilet, but failed & was shot & wounded. That man has yet to be identified, and there has been little or no information revealed about him, his injuries, or exactly what happened.
    It's possible that this initial confrontation jammed the weapon, or that the gunman somehow jammed it while firing. I've seen reports that the American soldier heard the discharge, and then realized that the weapon appeared jammed, when he first saw it, prompting his action.
    I haven't seen any mention of an American professor, although a British resident of France joined in subduing the gunman.
    I'm glad that she is OK, along with everyone else.
     
  18. Belgian guy

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    He's a she actually. ;)
     
  19. JBigjake

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    Currently. Duly noted & edited.
     
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  20. ceezmad

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    Here is a story of the Frenchman acting like well Frenchman/woman.

    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/french-actor-caught-in-train-attack-accuses-127481831202.html
     
  21. song219

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  22. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Indeed it was non-responsive because it didn't address what might have happened had there been multiple people with weapons in the enclosed space of a train. We know from the Giffords shooting just how chaotic such situations can become.

    Nothing snide about pointing out that the incident was largely averted by unarmed people, whereas the NRA's response to any shooting is "more guns". Sorry that bothers you.
     
  23. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Simple. The darker-skinned guys are the bad guys. ;)
     

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