http://www.mlsnet.com/content/03/la0221lamanga.html I believe the ref made the wrong call. Most situations outside the PK box are not "obvious goal-scoring" chances. Therefore, no red. And therefore, new result. Prof
As an example.. A "one on one" breakaway against a goalkeeper who comes out and up-ends a player heading straight for goal at the top of the box can be seen as an obvious goal scoring opportunity even though it may have been 2 yards or more out of the box and a red could be justified especially if it was obvious the intent of the keeper was to bring the player down as a "last resort" to prevent an easy goal. IMHO.
Nope and particular if the keeper was the last man back. Toldo was sent off in the world cup in 1994 for a similar incident.
I didn't get the impression he upended the guy though. The way I understood it, at least, he came out of the box (potentially unaware that he was out of the box) and collected the ball from the feet of the attacker, who tripped over the keeper. In the scenario I'm picturing, no red, but the attackers get the indirect for the handball, and possibly a yellow (though it's a stretch) for unsportsmanlike to the keep. Prof
Well sure.. If he beat the attacker to the ball then not only would no card be justified, it would be questionable if it was a foul at all. Not seeing a replay makes it hard. Sometimes certain press sees what they want to see. My simple point was in answer to the question if a red card could be issued for an obvious goal scoring opportunity outside the box. It can.
First off, it would be a DFK for handling. Keeper loses all special powers outside the PA and becomes like any other player (except he still wears the spiderman shirt). There's no need to have "upended" the player. As others have said, handling the ball to deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity is a red card offense. Advice to Referees lists several criteria for deciding what qualifies as an OGSO. Things like direction of play, location of other opponents, and distance to goal. 20-25 yards with a keeper out of the net is certainly not a hard shot for a pro player - sounds kind of "obvious"? If it had not qualified as an OGSO, without any stretching at all it certainly would have qualified as USB for "handling the ball to break up an attacking play" (based on the description found at the url at the top of this thread).
I was only using that as an obvious example of a foul and outside the box that could be redcarded as an obvious goal scoring opportunity if it was only the keeper left to beat. The report given sounds "fishy", especially saying the keeper got to the ball with his hands and then asking about the outside the box stuff. Things don't make sense here.
It was the exact same thing that Moons for Genk did against Roma in the Champions League earlier this season. Red Card in like the 8th minute or so Prof...how many threads are you going to start about this?? So far, I have counted SIX. It's a pre-season tournament in Spain with about the same prestige as me beating my wife in FIFA 2003. Let. It. Rest.
I just read this report finally. If it is correct and it was a player going right at goal alone against the keeper, it's a red card in my opinion. "In the 34th minute, Torpedo goalkeeper Dmitry Borodin was called for a handball outside the box as he attempted to stop a one-on-one with Alejandro Moreno."
Thanks for interjecting some much needed perspective. Six threads on this for a preseason tournament is overkill.
This current thread... then these two... https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34885 https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34884 that there is 3...you also whined about it on the Galaxy boards somewhere...elsewhere as well...dont feel like looking it up...