Telecom Immunity Part Deux

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Cascarino's Pizzeria, Jan 26, 2008.

  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    "Heh-heh, so he ain't playin' ball with me? Get Al-ber-toe on the line. We got some indictin' to do!"
     
  2. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
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    "Indite...heh heh heh...that's another one of those freaky words."
     
  3. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    Show of hands. How many of you have Qwest as your telephone provider? Because if you don't, you really don't care about this issue as much as you lead on.

    Who here has put their money where their mouths are?
     
  4. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
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    I included a letter with my notice of cancellation of service to AT&T after this broke (I was on my last nerve with them anyway, and this was the proverbial straw). If Quest was a provider for me locally (and I had a desire to get a land line), I'd seriously consider them (assuming their prices weren't exorbitant).
     
  5. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    You may want to take a look at their coverage map:

    http://pcat.qwest.com/pcat/profile.do?salesChannel=null

    Not exactly an option for most.
     
  6. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    Betcha that makes no difference in bizzaro world.
     
  7. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    I'm sure if we all stomp our feet and hold our breath, the invisible hand of the market will cure all.
     
  8. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    Thanks for contributing
     
  9. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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  10. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    Vonage, actually
     
  11. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    I knew it. Well, there's a bet I would have won.
     
  12. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    Good on you.
     
  13. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    Still, he says nothing. Weird.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    After the Valdez wreck, I didn't buy gas at Exxon for years. But the fact that I did something doesn't mean that the gvt. shouldn't still have gone after Exxon.

    Matt, really, you've gone down the rabbit hole of libertarianism. It's like Syd Barrett and LSD. He took the journey and never came back.
     
  15. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
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    Did the government coerce Exxon into ramming a tanker into Alaska? No? Then it's completely unrelated.

    It's bonkers for me to see you all advocate that the same government that pushed the telecoms into making bad decisions should punish them for those decisions.

    BTW, if I'm Barrett who's my Gilmour?
     
  16. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
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    Bonkers that we think it should be done, or bonkers to think they'd actually do it?
     
  17. heybeerman

    heybeerman Member

    Aug 2, 2001
    Chicago Burbs
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    I dumped AT&T (and sent them a note too) and went with Comcast. Qwest was not an option in Chicago.

    Uncle Phil is a staunch Republican. I'm surprised he didn't go along with it.
     
  18. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    That it should be done.
     
  19. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
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    So you're advocating the stance that if the government says it is kosher, then you're in the clear, no use of judgment required? That's ****ing scary.
     
  20. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    Why? Both should be punished.
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    How is the gvt. punishing them? Further, they're immunized. They won't be paying up, the feds will. You're dodging the real issue, which is that this is about Bush covering up his crimes.
     
  22. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    That's not the real issue from my POV. The real issue is to ensure that business and the government can work together to achieve common goals in extreme situations without fear of entrapment.

    If this immunity didn't go through, business would be quite skiddish to work with the government on important matters ever again.

    Bush playing CYA is ancillary from my POV
     
  23. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    That happens in many cases. For instance, doctors and pharmacisits are immune from prosecution if a drug is approved by the FDA and is properly dispensed according to their guidelines.
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    Off topic, but what punishment would you like to see?
     
  25. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    DC United
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    For the telcos, whatever the courts decide.

    For Bush, criminal charges and subsequent impeachment and/or imprisonment.
     

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