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Discussion in 'Women's International' started by sbahnhof, Jul 7, 2018.

  1. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    Subtitle, "it's not about pay, it's about respect!"

    A report from [​IMG] Argentina this week:

    - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...l-team-fighting-equality-180630131707121.html


    Previously the team have gone on strike:
    http://www.excellesports.com/news/argentina-womens-soccer-on-strike/ (Archived)


    Similar disputes (and not-so-similar) have happened in:

    [​IMG] Australia http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...s-pay-dispute-could-spark-real-change/6767916

    [​IMG] Denmark http://www.womenssoccerzone.com/danish-federation-and-players-in-deadlock-as-situation-intensifies/ (Archived)
    (including a forfeited qualifier in Sweden - DBU got a suspended UEFA ban)

    [​IMG] Ireland https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39493537
    (because of incredibly poor treatment from the FAI)

    [​IMG] Nigeria https://www.independent.co.ug/nigeria-womens-football-team-protest-sixth-day/

    [​IMG] Scotland https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40344365

    [​IMG] U.S. https://www.thenation.com/article/us-womens-soccer-just-scored-a-big-win/ (Archived)

    ....and there's probably some more. It's obvious there isn't a perfect and easily-agreed solution everywhere, (Or is there?o_O), especially in situations where players and clubs/FAs may all be under financial pressure. But it's been great to see the progress – Norway are now able to pay their men's and women's NTs equally, and the English club Lewes FC promised to do the same.at semi-professional level.

    TLDR: Let's go on strike
     
  2. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #2 Lechus7, Jul 7, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2018
    Italy (2015) https://fifpro.org/news/fifpro-supports-strike-action-italian-women/en/
    Australia (2015) https://fifpro.org/news/fifpro-fully-supports-matildas-in-cba-battle/en/
    https://fifpro.org/news/pfa-australia-agrees-with-new-cba/en/
    Finaland (2018) https://www.fifpro.org/news/finland-probes-possible-gender-discrimination-in-football/en/
    The solution is kind of already in place:
    In some countries constitution guarantee the right to equal pay for equal work regardless of gender. Others (like Finland), whose constitution does not include any relevant provisions specific for equal pay for equal work, tend to tackle the problem from the other side (gender discrimination).
    The question of easily or not-agreed becomes then irrelevant.

    Yes it is.
    Along with Norway and Lewes FC we have now equal pay in:
    New Zealand (2018) https://fifpro.org/news/new-zealand-s-men-help-broker-equal-pay-deal/en/
    and
    Iceland (2018) http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20180209-what-iceland-can-teach-the-world-about-gender-pay-gaps

    Let's hope more countries will follow suit, especially in view of some frustrating findings from the latest World Economic Forum report where the results show we’re going backwards on gender parity across health, education, politics and the workplace for the first time since 2006. According to WEF calculations, an average gap of 32% (up from 31.7%) still remains and the reversal is being driven in part by declining gender equality in the workplace.
     
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  3. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I always wondered why the French girls are not interested in those kind of actions actually. What the FFF gives to women players is nothing compared to the men.
     
  4. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa

    A lot of countries have such laws, and it's all very well in progressive places like Scandinavia which might actually enforce the law. But it seems decades away from happening in a meaningful way in football - like getting rich clubs to pay their men's and women's teams equally. Those clubs would probably also have legal arguments to hide behind, to justify a pay disparity? (Like if two teammates get very different pay for the same amount of work.)

    Apparently the FA WSL pays no prize money at all....?
    - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-41685042


    The Lewes FC story is inspiring, and I really hope it works out for them:

    - https://sentherforward.wordpress.co...ality-campaign-takes-football-world-by-storm/ (Archived)

    (Also hope they can play Brighton in the Cup, in a "Who Is England's Most Liberal City" derby.)

    [​IMG]
    Lewes at Crystal Palace (pic: James Boyes, cc-by)
     
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  5. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    the FA WSL has a prize money, many coaches and admin people told me.
     
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  6. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    Ah, good... I was hoping you'd know. They don't seem to announce the amounts anywhere - whereas in the FA Cup they go into great detail.
     
  7. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    The amount of money paid to clubs is not published by the FA, but it is very small according to all the people I spoke to.
     
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  8. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
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  9. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
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  10. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
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  11. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    #11 sbahnhof, Sep 22, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2018
    World Cup news – women's teams from faraway continents will fly 'business class' to the finals, if it's more than a 4-hour flight. FIFA finally reacts to the complaint "men's teams fly first class, women's fly economy", but it only affects World Cups.

    Also: compensation for clubs during World Cups, changes regarding team hotels, and the likely increase in prize money.

    - https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer...id-for-women-s-world-cup-20180921-p50546.html (Archived)

    The flight rules will affect Australia, who've qualified for France 2019 already:

    [​IMG]
    Business class: Look at all the legroom
    (pic: Alex Beltyukov, cc-by-sa)

    There's no word whether this trickles down to less fortunate nations. A corporate-level team bus or something...
     
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  12. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    Women's World Cup prize money is going up from $15m to $30m.

    But here's the crux of the matter:

    "#GenderPayGap has increased to $370 million from $343 million"
     
  13. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    [​IMG] In England, a clause in FA WSL contracts says that players can be sacked after 3 months out injured, according to documents obtained by Danish media:

    - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46318375

    If only the FA had any reputation to start with. :oops:

    Suzanne Wrack had a rundown of how WSL teams' finances stack up, with the vast majority of their external income coming from commercial sources.
     
  14. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    It is well know, you cannot have a competitive team in the FA WSL without a men's team money ( budget above 2M£)
     
  15. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    [​IMG] Good news! Jamaican women's football was the subject of a clunky satirical cartoon.

    [​IMG]
    http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/tools/cartoons/20181222 (Archived)

    To explain the joke, because there aren't enough written labels(!) – the player no.7 (must be Chinyelu Asher!) represents the Reggae Girlz themselves. And the bag with the "$" sign = sponsorship money that they hope to get from SOME private sector businesses. Not sure why the guy has a "$" on his hat too. He must be rich. Anyway, "GOVT" is short for "government", whose sport minister Olivia Grange is saying to the hat man, "Don't be a wagonist", which is good because nobody wants to be a wagonist. And that's why the cartoon is funny :laugh:
     
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  16. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    [​IMG] Oh, and the reason the team were in the news yesterday – they were given the keys to the city of Montego Bay, and also the keys to the city of Kingston, which could be useful if they ever get locked out.
    [​IMG]
    The other headline: Qatar offered to fund a Jamaica training camp in Qatar, a decision that Qatar must have made at random, as they usually have little interest in women's football. - http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/spor...camp-for-girlz---ricketts_152307?profile=1498 (Archived)
     
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  17. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Maybe Qatar should put that funding into its own women's team?
     
  18. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    Yes they should, now you mention it...

    I wrote a bit about it in the Middle East thread, 'sportwashing' their reputation... Qatar has also just hosted an England training camp :cautious:


    [​IMG] Back in Argentina, there's a lawsuit against the federation (AFA) and champion club UAI Urquiza, from their player Macarena Sanchez:

    Possible unfair dealing - mentioned in FIFpro's article:

    "Are women footballers all considered amateur in Argentina?"
    "Yes. The players of all the teams in the Argentine women’s league are all regarded as amateur by clubs and the federation. Sanchez says that in reality many should be recognized as professionals. She says clubs disguise the professional status of women players from public authorities by paying them under the table or through jobs outside football."

    - https://fifpro.org/news/landmark-women-s-football-case-in-argentina/en/ (Archived)
     
  19. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    [​IMG] Mentioned earlier how the FA goes into detail with its FA Cup prize money for each club. Well, Equality FC Lewes are on the case...

    "In an open letter, the club's directors point out the winners of the women's FA Cup collect £25,000 ... the total FA Cup prize fund for women's teams is £250,000 - less than 1% of the men's £30.25m." - (BBC Sport)

    (Maybe the FA just won't give any details in the future.) And the men's FA Cup is the competition that the clubs don't even care about. :(

    [​IMG]
    Lewes FC: demanding fairer prize money
    (Photo: James Boyes, cc-by)

     
  20. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #21 Lechus7, Feb 10, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2019
    ALEN STAJCIC: MY MATILDAS NIGHTMARE



    What caught my eye (from the aricle)

    1. "For the record, I wish to state categorically that, during my time as Matildas Head Coach – such tenure which commenced in 2014 - I have never witnessed, never participated in, and never acquiesced to the participation of others in any impropriety or misconduct relating to players or the Matildas set-up.

    2. "I initiated a new team-building process, which commenced in January 2019, to lead us even further forward in the future and prepare us even better for the challenges that lay ahead. The Leadership and Team Culture camp was my idea, and had been planned for months."

    If there were no problems or issues why the creation of Team Culture camp - and at that supposedly planned for months ahead o_O


    The way FFA did handled that whole thing though is very poor. Their vauge explanation allowed for media frenzy and all that hurt Stajcic career and reputation. He has cause for grivance against them. Instead they could just say that the results were unacceptable and save all the hassle.

    Looks like FFA had proverbial three options and went with middle one...

    1. Full inquiry into the truth
    Price: Possible cut of unknown number of players from NT
    Fallout: Forget about WWC title run

    2. Scapegoat
    Price: Sack the coach
    Fallout: Later pay him off

    3. Sweep under the carpet
    Price: None
    Fallout: Risk a scandal later on and lose WWC bid

    :unsure:
     
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  21. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no idea what the Aussie situation is all about. But, I'm a retired lawyer and I'm very confident a lawyer wrote that statement.
     
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  22. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    #23 sbahnhof, Feb 11, 2019
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  23. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa

    There's an interview with Maca Sánchez from a few days ago about the lawsuit. She's now getting death threats because of her actions - a horrible business:

    - Autotranslated: www.clarin.com/deportes/futbol/uai-urquiza-solidarizo-macarena-sanchez-amenaza-muerte-recibio-ultimas-horas_0_NB1tENz0Y.html (Archived)


     
  24. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--

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