Team Scores While Opponents are Celebrating Disallowed Goal

Discussion in 'Referee' started by La Rikardo, May 25, 2012.

  1. La Rikardo

    La Rikardo Moderator

    May 9, 2011
    nj
    Dunno if this has been posted here in the past, but I thought this clip was quite interesting.



    Yellow puts the ball in the goal, but the goal is disallowed for an infringement. I'm assuming he was offside. Orange restarts quickly while yellow is celebrating and scores themselves. Chaos ensues. How much abuse would you take in this referee's shoes before deciding to terminate the match? Seems to have taken him three minutes plus an escort forcing him off the field. :p
     
  2. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    What a horrible place to be a referee.
     
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  3. usaref

    usaref Member

    Jan 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AR2 seems to think a goal was scored. He's sitting there writing when all the celebrating yellow players run by him. A nice loud whistle to disallow the goal would've helped I would think. Also perhaps the referee could have been less confrontational showing a red card at the beginning of the melee. Show the red card later once people have calmed down a little.
     
  4. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree that a louder whistle probably would have helped but I see nothing wrong with the orange team scoring. Seems to be a good reason not to have the huge team celebrations after scores.
    All that being said, yikes I am not sure I would have waited that long to terminate. I am assuming as well that he showed the red card because they had already swarmed him and he was trying to put a quick end to it. Obviously it didn't work.
     
  5. rkucenski

    rkucenski Member

    Sep 23, 2011
    Flower Mound TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    That referee covered more areas of the pitch running away from players than many referees I know cover during a match!
     
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  6. uniqueconstraint

    Jul 17, 2009
    Indianapolis,Indiana - home of the Indy Eleven!
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That and the "safe" signal indicating it does not count would've helped - they don't show the referee but I don't hear the whistle either - and while the commentators are loud, the stadium is fairly empty - a loud whistle should've carried in a stadium that empty.

    I don't know that I could've gotten out of there any faster, but at that point terminating the match is the only option. Noone wants to listen or play, just whine, argue and push.
     
  7. refontherun

    refontherun Member+

    Jul 14, 2005
    Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He (AR2) is also still standing about five yards from midd-field after the orange goal is scored:confused:. Shouldn't he have been following the play toward the goal line?
     
  8. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    From 2008
    final score: Real Madrid 0-1 Getafe

     
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  9. iron81

    iron81 Member+

    Jan 6, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The few times I've disallowed a goal or made a close no goal call on a goal line decision, I tend to make a scene. After whistling if appropriate, I'll loudly yell "No Goal" a couple times accompanied with two or three safe signals. But when I watch professional refs working, they'll usually make no signal on a goal line decision or an understated signal of the infraction on a disallowed goal. Which is better?
     
  10. Kryten

    Kryten Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    Kansas City
    IMO, it is better to make a loud, clear signal in cases where a closely contested goal is scored/not scored. I think the referee in the first clip dug his own grave by not making the restart ceremonial.
     
  11. Eastshire

    Eastshire Member+

    Apr 13, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I started out as a baseball umpire. The general philosophy there is the bigger than call the harder the sell. I'm selling this call like my life depends on it. And I'm not allowing a restart until both teams have had an opportunity to realize what the call is.

    If the officiating team doesn't all realize you haven't had a goal, you've not done your job in communicating what's going on.
     
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  12. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    No one has mentioned how the AR's bailed out on this guy. Video is of poor quality, so it's possible they had players also accosting them. Would not want to work with these guys again if I'm the CR as they obviously didn't have his back.
     
  13. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    You make an excellent point, but there is no way that AR2 should assume a goal is scored. I assume AR1 did not run up the field: he was making the offside indication after all. The video shows the CR point at the ground in the PA, not back up to the center spot. That's all the communication any ref should need to know a goal was not scored.

    Now, for the team that celebrated prematurely, I hate to say it, but I often feel that the celebration can be a way of selling. The offside call was not a particularly difficult one to make, as it came off a set play. The shooter must have known that he was either off or just barely onside. Yet, instead of seeing if the AR has his flag up, (and why wouldn't he? He was shooting in the direction of the AR), he turns back and runs off to celebrate, instead of going to get the ball like scorers usually do.

    The call is a match critical call, but run of the mill to make and indicate. What happened after has nothing to do with referee mechanics.
     
  14. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    So how does one do that? Clearly point to the goal area for a goal kick. The ball is placed. Then what - wait for the celebrators to wake up and stop celebrating? For how long? If the ref makes the kick ceremonial, he should be blowing the whistle for the restart as soon as the kicking team is ready to go. Maybe that did or didn't happen here - but no matter, even if there was a good loud blast, I doubt the celebrators would have paid attention.
     
  15. BTFOOM

    BTFOOM Member+

    Apr 5, 2004
    MD, USA
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    This is a great point.

    I was at a tournament this past weekend where almost the exact same thing happened. FK into box, forward makes run and scores a very nice 'goal', ball into net, lots of celebrating, but there is AR2 with flag in air. The attacking team is celebrating on the other side of field while defending team is getting ball out of net and attempting to play quickly. In this situation, the CR blew his whistle loudly several times and made a point of waving the goal off to all players. In this case, both teams got into rough position while captain asked for clarification. CR points to AR w/flag in air, then blows whistle one more time and signals 'Play'.

    Some of you may argue that teams shouldn't celebrate so much and get what they deserve, but I think this type of thought ignores the fact that a goal is a very big deal in a soccer game and will be celebrated. If the goal is waved off, the ref should make sure that everyone at the match understands that the goal will not stand and play will continue.

    One more item - I can't believe that local security was so bad in the match showed by the OP. A ref should never have to run so much to get away from players/coaches/team officials/fans EVER!!
     

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