Team, Player salary info

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by scrub, Jul 13, 2005.

  1. scrub

    scrub Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    This just came up on SI:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/grant_wahl/07/13/salaries.rankings/index.html

    Interesting figures:

    NE Revs lowest total payroll at $1.46 million. (Highest is LA at $2.75 million).

    Salaries for various Rev players:

    2005 Michael Parkhurst first, ninth pick $42,500
    2004 Clint Dempsey first, eighth pick $57,875
    2004 Andy Dorman sixth, 56th pick $28,000
    2003 Pat Noonan first, ninth pick $75,594
    2002 Taylor Twellman first, 2nd pick $131,666
    2002 Shalrie Joseph second, 14th pick $120,000
    2002 Steve Ralston first, 6th pick, allocation/dispersal draft $156,250

    Anybody have the complete list of player salaries or even complete list of REV players salaries?
     
  2. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some rather interesting comments made there my Wahl, almost copying what's been said here a few times.

    The question for future years is whether New England will use its space under the salary cap to keep the team together (by offering raises to its young stars), or will the Kraft family pinch pennies and let the team break up? Stay tuned.

    An owner's commitment to his team does appear to make a difference in the amount of money spent on players. In New England, the Kraft family has been extra-conservative in its spending (except on local TV broadcasts).

    Edit: Also, Pepe's salary is listed at 151,250.
     
  3. Ultra Peanut

    Ultra Peanut New Member

    Jun 3, 2004
    Achewood
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Linked in the sidebar of this NYT article (use bugmenot.com if it asks for name/pwd) is an Excel spreadsheet about just that.
     
  4. scrub

    scrub Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Ok I got this off the NYT article (sorted the spreadsheet and pasted):

    EDIT: made it a little more readable...

    CLUB LAST NAME FIRST NAME POS 2005 BASE SALARY AVERAGE ANNUAL GUARANTEED COMPENSATION*

    Code:
    
    NE	Ralston	Steve	M-D	$150,000.00	$156,250.00
    NE	Cancela	Jose	M	$151,250.00	$151,250.00
    NE	Twellman Taylor	F	$125,000.00	$131,666.00
    NE	Joseph	Shalrie	M	$110,000.00	$120,000.00
    NE	Heaps	Jay	D	$90,000.00	$93,750.00
    NE	Reis	Matt	GK	$90,000.00	$90,000.00
    NE	Franchino Joey	D	$81,110.00	$83,610.00
    NE	Noonan	Pat	F-M	$64,969.00	$75,594.00
    NE	Oliveria Cassio	M	$60,000.00	$60,000.00
    NE	John	Avery	D	$57,600.00	$58,350.00
    NE	Dempsey	Clint	M	$47,250.00	$57,875.00
    NE	LeonardMarshall	D-M	$47,500.00	$48,750.00
    NE	Parkhurst M.	D	$30,000.00	$42,500.00
    
    Code:
    NE	Smith	Khano	F	$40,000.00	$40,000.00
    NE	EdozienConnally	F-M	$36,000.00	$36,000.00
    NE	Brilliant Feliz	M-F	$28,000.00	$28,000.00
    NE	Dorman	Andy	M	$28,000.00	$28,000.00
    NE	Riley	James	D-M	$28,000.00	$28,000.00
    NE	Warren	Doug	GK	$28,000.00	$28,000.00
    NE	Singer	Kyle	GK	$16,500.00	$16,500.00
    NE	Vercollone L.	M	$16,500.00	$16,500.00
    NE	Larentowicz J.	D	$11,700.00	$11,700.00
    NE	Latham	Ryan	F	$11,700.00	$11,700.00
    NE	RomaneiroMarcos	M	$11,700.00	$11,700.00
    NE	Tomasso	Thomas	GK	$11,700.00	$11,700.00
    NE	Wilson	Easton	M	$11,700.00	$11,700.00
    NE 	Holmes	Jamie	F	$11,700.00	$11,700.00
    
    
    
     
  5. gk

    gk Member

    Dec 29, 1999
    So that was Dorman I saw playing keep uppy at central sq station with a cap on the floor.
     
  6. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's amazing to me that this league doesn't have a higher floor than this. How can people survive on this? :(
     
  7. REVS FAN 1

    REVS FAN 1 Member

    Jul 2, 2004
    Weymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They all have to supplement their income somehow!!! I know that Luke Vercollone is going to be coaching a U14B MAPLE team this year....I imagine most all coach clubs or HS....have camps and clinics, both with the REVS and outside of them.....It's a disgrace that these guys have to do all that!!! I'd jump to a dutch club if I had the chance too!!!


    The figures I want to see are the financial statements for the Revs!


    Mike
     
  8. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When I read these figures I want to throw up. :mad:

    With the way players are paid in other sports and the way soccer players in most Leagues around the world are compensated it's hard to imagine that the deep pocket guys would have the b--ls to pay players as little as they do in MLS. And then to read that a few are making HUGE amounts while players playing as well are making less than 10% as much. Well, now that it's all out on the table it will be interesting to see just what the CBA and Players Union will do to get things a bit more in balance and realistic.

    Absolutely UNREAL :confused:
     
  9. Steve_R

    Steve_R Member

    Feb 25, 2001
    Somerville, MA
    wow, I made more than the DEV players last year in 8 months work time, and I'm still in college.
     
  10. REV-OKe

    REV-OKe Member

    Apr 4, 2001
    i thought the revs salaries actually look pretty balanced... puts them in a good position.

    maybe even fair.

    if these guys worked on commission, they' still be living on a draw...
     
  11. SpeedyOne

    SpeedyOne New Member

    Jul 12, 2005
    That puts eight members of the Revs under the federal poverty line. Definitely not enough to live on around here. Takes a lot of commitment and food stamps to make it in this league i guess...
     
  12. Soc4Us

    Soc4Us Member

    Jun 11, 2004
    Dunstable, MA
    I just hope that if the MLS does become a financial success, that these players who were in on the ground floor are remembered and taken care of somewhat finacially. It sounds like the NBA and NHL have not done this which is an embarrassment.
     
  13. MouseyTongue

    MouseyTongue New Member

    Feb 16, 2001
    a box in the Chairma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I appreciate the talented athletes who entertain us by playing soccer, I don't feel especially sorry for them when they are getting payed to do something they love and have a few months off each year. Sure, many of them need a secondary form of support, but how many teachers have summer jobs? We may want soccer players, but we need teachers. Owner/operators are committed with their wallets to this league, taking losses now in hopes of being around to cash in later. Even more reasonable salaries now would have a serious impact on that future. So far, so good, let's see if the league can last another ten years and maybe by then players will be able to live well on what they earn.
     
  14. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are some adjustments that must be made. Parkhurst, Dorman and Riley must get much more. I would vote for taking the 60K they're blowing on Smith and split it three ways.

    When Noonan returns, Smith becomes expendable
     
  15. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oops, I guess Smith only gets 40K. It's still wasted $$$$
     
  16. VTSoccerFan

    VTSoccerFan Member+

    New England Revolution, Vermont Catamounts
    United States
    Jun 28, 2002
    Cary, NC
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seeing these salaries makes me wonder what people in the Revs organization off the field make?
     
  17. Jeremy Goodwin

    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We have the shortest offseason of any pro league in this country. Waiting ten years to pay players a living wage (even a teacher salary is better, for a shorter year) is not a fair option, and I do not think that will be sustainable in the mid term, let alone a ten year timeframe.

    I think having a flatter salary structure would be better for development of players in this country. It's nice to have Landon and GAM here in the league, but you can pay 80+ developmental players with their salary, or you could give 20 guys a fair wage.

    There are increases coming down the pipe, but they still won't be adequate. Sadly, I don't know that it's going to change anytime soon. Looking around at other emerging leagues, the pay structure isn't vastly different. For B and C contract players in Japan (the vast majority of players), the maximum salary is about $50,000, with a $500 maximum appearance fee per game. I can't say how flat that is, but I wouldn't be surprised if most C contract players are living the same kind of semi-pro lifestyle that so many MLS guys have to deal with.

    As for not "feel[ing] especially sorry for them when they are getting payed to do something they love and have a few months off each year." I think that it is a basic expectation for workers, even here in the United States, that you're going to get weekends off, a schedule of holidays, and some vacation time. MLS players don't get that. Their "few months off each year" is about the same amount of time that anyone else eats up every year in regular time off. If you don't have at least an affinity for what you do to make a living, then I'm terribly sorry for you. People naturally gravitate to jobs that they enjoy and can perform well at, and thinking that soccer players are any different, and therefore should be penalized for doing what they enjoy and are good at, is incomprehensible to me.

    This is a 50% travel career, it takes hard work, dedication, and currently more sacrifices than can reasonably be expected for people to make a go of it. The bottom tier players deserve better.

    Those guys at the top making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year are already raking in the sponsor and endorsement money. The guys at the bottom have no recourse but their family and friends. It's as heinous as sending reservists to Iraq without body armor.
     
  18. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    somehow i don't think its as bad as that
     
  19. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    One thing to keep in mind about the Developmental contracts is that they are short-term deals. None of those guys are tied up long-term, so if they turn out to be "players" they can move up. They've been given an opportunity (if you want to talk about exploitation, let's start with college basketball and football players).

    I may be wrong, but didn't Dorman and Marshall start as Dev. players? And maybe Joseph too? They're moving up the ladder (in Dorman's case, having the leverage of being able to go back to the UK to play helps, I'm sure).

    I'm wondering how Heaps ever got so high up the scale...
     
  20. Jeremy Goodwin

    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok, yeah, that was probably a bit over the top. Life and death vs Subsistence and prosperity are different.
     
  21. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Makes you want to change your Party affilliation from Republican to Socialist Peoples Workers Party, huh Doc? :D Power to the People! Down with the exploitation of the masses by the bourgeoise elite!


    I have always supported the idea of people being able to make whatever money they can. If you can get the boss-man to give you a healthy raise, good for you, I hope you get as much as you can. I don't begrudge Landy-Candy for getting $900k if AEG was willing to give it to him. Where that money comes from and who ultimately pays it is another matter entirely.

    On the other hand, how many of us made a meager salary when we were in our early 20s? I made $9,500 a year when I graduated, but of cousre, that was back in the paeleolithic age and a cab ride on the back of a dinosaur cost only an eighth of a cent. A kid just out of college is used to living inexpensively, and most likely is single and shares a place with a buddy or two. I am not trying to justify hard-balling guys with no leverage, but ask yourself this: If you were that age and in those circumstances, would YOU want to trade places with Jamie Holmes? I would have done it in a heartbeat, and I suspect many of you would too.

    Holmes and others have a chance to be a pro player and make a decent living doing something the rest of us can only dream of. Some (most) will not make it, but if it is not in the cards for you, at least you gave it a shot and will have some stories to tell. If you are "retired" by age 24, you just go on to do whatever you might have done in life. Even Tony Frias is doing that now, after his "3 year pro career" with the Revs.

    One other note: Players do get extra money for doing appearances and coaching clinics, and in some instances they might get a break on housing or use of a leased car that they don't own, so there are some other perks that go beyond the base salary, so it may not be quite as bad as it may seem.

    Tom
     
  22. SpeedyOne

    SpeedyOne New Member

    Jul 12, 2005
    I'm not sure how many realtors or car lots are jumping all over the chance of giving people like Ryan Latham a break or use of a leased car for free...
     
  23. Steve_R

    Steve_R Member

    Feb 25, 2001
    Somerville, MA
    I get the feeling he is referring more to Kraft et. al. leverage rather than an individual players leverage.

    Hey, if he can give free Pats Super Bowl hats to my brothers FHS graduation class why not a few handouts for his "family".
     
  24. SpeedyOne

    SpeedyOne New Member

    Jul 12, 2005
    Gave one of his super bowl rings to Putin too. Still I get the feeling that the Krafts are a little more interested in the Pats then the Revs. I could be wrong, but I've kind of always felt that way.
     
  25. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My, my, what ever gave you that idea????? :rolleyes:

    Of course he is. What makes you even question that Bob Kraft isn't completely devoted to the Patriots and that the Revs take a verrrrry distant 2nd place in his sportsmens consciousness? Frankly he'd be nuts if he wasn't. However, that doesn't mean he doesn't care about the Revs or that he isn't committed to soccer and MLS. There have been many on this Board that question his committement but we have a MLS team in Boston because of Mr Kraft and you can bet he will be right there lifting the Cup with the Team at Pie Park in November.
     

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