"Team America" and other mistakes

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by sounderfan, Nov 16, 2004.

  1. sounderfan

    sounderfan New Member

    Apr 6, 2003
  2. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Chicago Fire
    I like page two of that first link, where there are interviews with people on the street responding to questions of what "American Style" soccer would look like. Eric Clarke rocks. "I believe the American style would be like Hemingway on the playing field. Like Hemingway said, "what is style? Style is just grace under pressure." I think that would characterize our play."
  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    My kid's U12 soccer coach played for Team America. A funny concept, that.
  4. wcgcapone

    wcgcapone Member

    Feb 6, 2001
    Denver, CO, USA
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    America Fvck Yeah!
  5. Steve Holroyd

    Steve Holroyd New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, the infamous "red, white, black and blue" campaign. And, in one fell swoop, one of the NASL's premier franchises was dead.

    As far as Team America, let's not forget how the NASL managed to kill two franchises with the idea. Before the 1983 season, everyone was so excited about the concept that the owners of Le Manic de Montreal announced that, in 1984, they would form a "Team Canada."

    Alas, little thought was given to how the not-particularly-Canadian Montrealers would react to such an idea (this was during the peak of the Quebec seperatist movement). The fans stayed away in droves. Plus, the team jettisoned all of their stars to make room for Canadian players. Like Seattle, Montreal was not around for 1984. Nor, of course, was Team America.

    I have a Team America article in the making. I'll post a link when it's done.
  6. sounderfan

    sounderfan New Member

    Apr 6, 2003
    It was the lowest of lows for a team that once stood so tall:

    They changed logos, team colors, coaches, style, ownership...

    1983 was almost like a one-year "expansion team" in Seattle soccer.

    This after having gone to SOCCER BOWL '82 the year before!
  7. YTFC

    YTFC New Member

    Apr 9, 2000
    They replaced Alan Hudson and Roger Davies, household names in the UK, with guys like Brian Schmetzer, Billy Crook and Geoff Wall--household names in Seattle high school soccer.

    Truly a case study in how to ruin a club.
  8. Geoduck

    Geoduck Member

    Sep 24, 1999
    So true, yet if 90% of BigSoccer posters had witnessed this back in the day, they'd be singing high praises to that idiot owner Bruce Anderson.
  9. Gioca

    Gioca Member

    Jun 13, 2004
    US Città di Palermo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Geez soccer in the USA sounds so depressing back then. I don't remember the national team before the 1990 world cup, and I'm now thankful that I wasn't subjected to this. MLS needs to become a carbon copy of European leagues so we don't get any more ideas like this.
  10. SABuffalo786

    SABuffalo786 New Member

    May 18, 2002
    Buffalo, New York
    No wonder soccer was in the condition it was pre-MLS.

    Holeda Jasna.
  11. Joe Stoker

    Joe Stoker Member

    Mar 10, 2003

    Seem to recall a similar situation with the Timbers the previous year.... before they folded. Some local yokle offering to save the franchise but gut it beyond any reason for the fans to recognize it as a pro team. You'd think the NASL would've seen this coming. Kinda parallelled the Team America-Team Canada train of deep thinking.

    I was in the minority then, and I would be now if such rampant idiocy repeated itself.

    IMO: except for Clive Toye, and one or two others, the whole bunch of them were eager to ditch the outdoor (genuine) game for indoors anyhow. .. and weren't very covert about it. Hated to see NASL die, but the league and the owners largely got what they deserved and vice versa. Based on their brainstorms, I'd left them for dead a year or two earlier. They appeared to me, largely at the end, as a bunch of egocentric carny hucksters interested only in making a buck indoors as opposed to any degree of passion for developing it here outdoors. Boy, this subject always riles me up!
  12. ButlerBob

    ButlerBob Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    Evanston, IL
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Who was that?
  13. Steve Holroyd

    Steve Holroyd New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IIRC, it was not quite as bad as you remember. In fact, the indoor-only advocates were a distinct minority. However, they were a powerful minority: Lee Stern (Chicago), Bob Bell (San Diego), and the Robbie Family (Minnesota) wielded quite a bit of clout.

    In the outdoor camp, you had the Cosmos who, by 1984, were being run by a lunatic (Peppe Pinton), and every other team which, while committed to outdoors, were all in the various stages of death. So it was definitely a quality-over-quantity situation.

    Those who frequent these boards know Joe and I can go on for hours about what the NASL owners did wrong. We'd agree on most reasons, disagree on some others. But I think we both agree that if people spent more time listening to Clive Toye instead of Phil Woosnam and the newer owners, we would be getting ready to enjoy season 39 of the NASL.

    As it is, we can thank Peppe Pinton, Peter Frampton, the boob who bought the Sounders and every other idiot owner for showing MLS how not to run a soccer league.
  14. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct. By 1982, I was so depressed with the state of professional soccer in the US that I stopped playing soccer (even though I had the opportunity to play collegiately) and stopped attending the SJ Earthquakes (family had been season ticket holders since 1975).

    NASL failed on many fronts, but I believe the biggest failure was in not developing professional US players. The American fans had learned the game and become tired of "over the hill" European players coming the league for a holiday and final pay check. Add the fact that indoor soccer was coming on strong and the NASL didn't have a chance...

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