Talent borrows, Genius steals: Best ripped-off riffs and pilfered sounds

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  1. Michael K.

    Michael K. Member

    Mar 3, 1999
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    In the spirit of the 'best covers' thread of the past, but different - I'm thinking of parts of songs, or whole songs, which rip off an intro, a riff, a melody from a song that came before it. Or at least come close enough that you can hear the resemblance. I'm NOT talking about covers, and I'm not talking about sampling - I think we've pretty much got to discount acts that sample from this thread (i.e. just about anything in hip-hop), not because I don't like a good sample, but that's not the gist of this thread.

    Some of them might be flagrant and intentional (see Gallagher, Noel) and some might be pretty obscure and possibly not even intentional - but recognizable none the less.

    To get you started, off the top of my head...

    Oasis - Shakermaker: that's just the New Seekers' I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing by another name.

    also Oasis - Don't Look Back In Anger: I think Noel's heard Imagine once or twice before

    The Jam - Start!: As long as we're talking about the Beatles, might as well mention The Jam's ripoff of Taxman

    Smashing Pumpkins - Today: I hear the intro to Blur's Chemical World in the intro to this

    Pulp - Disco 2000: The opening is straight off of Gloria, by Melissa Manchester

    Texas - Say What You Want: Sounds a lot like Sexual Healing to me


    more later...
     
  2. metrocorazon

    metrocorazon Member

    May 14, 2000
    I think this is a pretty useless topic as EVERY SINGLE band has borrowed from others before them. So if you want lets just list every single band from here to Mozart.
     
  3. Unorthodox Yank

    Feb 27, 2001
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    Anybody who deosnt hear "what i got" by sublime, and doesnt see that its prerty much a copy of "lady madonna" by the beatles is a jerk.
     
  4. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
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    The opening riff on No Doubt's "Don't Speak" is Aerosmith's "Dream On", isn't it?

    And Craig David's "Walking Away" borrows so heavily from U2, he actually sang the first verse from "One" before seamlessly moving onto "Walking Away" at the MTV Europe Awards.
     
  5. nicodemus

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    well, mozart ripped off Bach to a certain extent and Bach ripped off the lutheran church's hymns, and the lutheran church ripped off the ... who cares right?
     
  6. slipknotter

    slipknotter New Member

    May 31, 2000
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    the main riff to Papa Roach's "Last Resort" sounds like a rip off of Maiden's "Hallowed Be Thy Name"
     
  7. obie

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    Everybody who ever ripped off Bo Diddley's "Bo Diddley" -- nobody pays to use the Bo Diddley Beat.
     
  8. Auriaprottu

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  9. sebakoole

    sebakoole New Member

    Jul 11, 2002
    Hmm, never noticed that, I guess you're right.

    The Foo Fighters' "Ain't it the Life" sounds a lot like "Across the Universe" by the Beatles.
     
  10. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
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    Nirvana's "Smells like Teen Spirit" is a boiled-down version of the melody from Blue Oyster Cult's "Godzilla"
     
  11. nancyb

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    Soundtrack of Their Lives, Indepent Luxury, borrows heavily from the Buffalo Springfield's Mr. Soul - written by Neil Young. Interestingly, they have a lyric in there that recalls Young's line, "It's better to burn out than fade away," so I think that they are quite open in acknowledging their influence.
     
  12. Ellison

    Ellison Member

    Jan 11, 2000
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    not a sample, just a ripoff ...

    Eminem using the beginning of Malcolm McLaren's Buffalo Gals.
     
  13. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
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    I thought that was a "reference" rather than a ripoff.

    In the song but he talks about being a white artist that exploits "black music" for his personal gains and he's taking an indirect jab at Malcolm McLaren (and himself to a lesser extent) for latching on to hip hop.
     
  14. sanariot

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    Also, they ripped off the real powerful crunching guitar part during the verses of that song from Green Day's "Geek Stink Breath"
     
  15. Real Ray

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    The one that always comes first to my mind is, "Boogie With Stu" by Led Zeppelin-who had the audacity to list themselves as composers when it's a clear cover of "Oh My Head," by Richie Valens. They eventually settled out of court, listing Ms. Valens on the song credit for future royalties
     
  16. sanariot

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    Speaking of Led Zep, Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4" is a blatant rip off of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You."

    Listen to Oasis' song "Stand By Me" after the 'nobody knows/the way it's gonna be' part in the chorus and tell me you don't hear "All the Young Dudes" by Mott The Hoople.

    The Hives' "Hate to Say I Told You So" is a speeded up version of the Sex Pistols' "Submission."

    Oasis' "Cigarettes And Alcohol" is T. Rex's "Bang A Gong (Get It On).

    Travis' "Writing To Reach You" is Oasis' "Wonderwall" (They even say 'What's a Wonderwall, anyway?' in the first verse.)
     
  17. SixFeetUnder

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    How about bands that have ripped off themselves?

    The Ramones' Rockaway Beach and Rock 'n Roll High School are virtually the same song. Try singing the chorus of one over the chorus of the other...


    Otherwise, the worst example of a band ripping off another band is Jan & Dean's Sidewalk Surfin'. It's the same song as Catch a Wave. Exactly.

    Second worst: I Want a New Drug (Huey Lewis) ripped off Ray Parker, Jr.'s Ghostbusters. I think there was a lawsuit over it...
     
  18. sanariot

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    See also Oasis' "Fade Away" (Wham's - "Freedom").

    Oasis' "Step Out" (Noel was actually sued by Stevie Wonder over the similarity between this song and "Uptight - Everything's Alright") - It sounds like Cheap Trick covering Stevie Wonder to me, but I digress.
     
  19. sanariot

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    How about Roxy Music's "Editions Of You" and "Street Life"? Same song if you ask me.
     
  20. sanariot

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    The Beach Boys' "Surfin' USA" is Chuck Berry's "Rock and Roll Music"

    George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" is The Chiffons' "He's So Fine"
     
  21. Real Ray

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    Another Oasis tune is, "Morning Glory." The main riff is almost identical to the main riff of REM's "The One I Love."

    One often told story is that the opening riff to "Honkey Tonk Woman," was ripped off from Ry Cooder. He played on the "Sticky Fingers" sessions, and claims to have shown Keith the riff. Considering how central it is to the tune, he's probably lost a lot of money on the lack of song writing credit.
     
  22. mackem_ftm

    mackem_ftm New Member

    Jun 8, 2002
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    Green Day's When I Come Around and 16 both use exactly the same riff. Not that that's a bad thing as it's quite a cool riff, and not many people have heard 16 anyway, as its on their 1st album when they were relatively unknown.
     
  23. nicodemus

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    I think it was the other way around.
     
  24. SixFeetUnder

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    Re: Re: Talent borrows, Genius steals: Best ripped-off riffs and pilfered sounds

    That's right. Lewis sued Parker...
    Don't know what became of it. Probably a settlement of some sort...
     
  25. Richter Boy

    Richter Boy New Member

    Mar 1, 2000
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    This is a good topic, but a lot of these are quite a reach. Yes, every artist does create based on the sounds that they loved when they were growing up. BUT, they do not STEAL unless riffs/chords/choruses are predominantly the same. An example is "Ice Ice Baby" and "Under Pressure".

    Just because a song sounds like another does not mean the artist intentioanlly copied it. Influence is a word that a few of you need to grasp.
     

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