Tactical trends of the Mexican National teams

Discussion in 'Mexico National Team: News, Analysis & History' started by Rebaño_Sagrado, May 18, 2012.

  1. Rebaño_Sagrado

    Rebaño_Sagrado Member+

    May 21, 2006
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    I've been searching for articles and columns about past national teams and how they played. Very interesting articles of the 2006 Germany team. Hopefully, we can discuss all the teams virtues and nuances. Silverware is the goal obviously, how we get there, or how we failed getting there is the most interesting part el-choul

    In 2006 Guardiola had a column for the world cup and in particular he gave the Mexican team great reviews.

    First article by Guardiola http://elpais.com/diario/2006/06/13/deportes/1150149620_850215.html
    It was really amazing to see how at times, the 3 leftsided players, (Salcido, Ramoncito, Guardado/Pineda) would take turns attacking the Argentine defense or the right sided players (Osorio, Gringo, Mario Mendez) attempted the same


    Memory refresher.
     
  2. el-choul

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    Apr 17, 2006
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    Interesting thread topic. I've seen this Guardiola article, by the way, used on several occasions to justify The Mustache That Shall Not Be Named. After all, if Pep is "praising" him, he must be teh awesome! And this has been by members of the media, no less. They fail to mention Pep's other quotes in the article (the riskiness, etc.) and that the article was about the game vs. Iran.

    Note-let's not make this into a flame war. Thanks.

    As for my contribution, here is the FIFA page for their technical reports.
    http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/footb...alsupport/technicalstudygroup/menreports.html
    2010, p254 (for Mexico)
    2006b, p220
    2002b, p206
    1998b, p95
     
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  3. Rebaño_Sagrado

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    Forgot the link to the article for the second quote

    http://elpais.com/diario/2006/06/26/deportes/1151272824_850215.html

    Very nice links choul, I was not aware of those technical report.
     
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  4. LGRod

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    I wonder how Lavolpe's formation would work with the current national team.
     
  5. Rebaño_Sagrado

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    That really is part of the question many of us have. How would his team have played if superior talent like Nery Castillo and Cuauhtemoc Blanco had been available. The playing style of this particular team was definitely dictated by the players available/selected, for better or worse; a way to compensate for those deficiencies and exploit the team strengths.
     
  6. Perndog2006

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    Jul 24, 2006
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    possibly the holy grail of futbol. in it, the genius of lavolpe's tactics are enshrined for when we are discovered in 1000 of years later, they will see that Mexico played real futbol
     
  7. Rebaño_Sagrado

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    There was a lot of hype for this 2010 team coached by Aguirre and tactically oriented by Mario Carrillo, his assistant. This team was also without its controversy, particularly in the selection of Oscar Perez as goalie.

    In this iteration of El Tri, neither Osorio or Salcido reprise their roles as played in the 2006 world cup. Here, Marquez is the one man who's role has filled in for the lack of Pavel Pardo, who was not selected, as he is deployed in a deep-lying-playmaker role. Both dropping back to help the backline, when the team had possession and the fullbacks/wingbacks proceeded forward.

    Aguirre's lack of trust in Hernandez who is in good form, a young up and comer, as Franco is placed in the starting lineup. Andres Guardado, coming off a strong La Liga season is not selected to start, although later subs in.

    http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/05/27/mexico-tactics-world-cup-2010-javier-agurre/

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  8. Rebaño_Sagrado

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    The backline of the 2010 squad was just like the 2006 with the inclusion of Rodriguez who had been in the squad for Germany. Their roles were not similar as this time there was some talented individuals who could one day carry the scoring burden. Although, it would not be the upcoming world cup in South Africa 2010.

    On the role of Franco, he was deployed in the "poste" role, linking up with Vela and dos Santos who were still not ready to take on the burden of carrying El Tri in the biggest of stages. Although, both had been boons to the national team during the qualifying stages and 2009 edition of the Gold Cup. The game against England showed that they were not yet ready to arrive on the biggest of stages. At least Aguirre seemed to think so, and so the inclusions of Cuauhtemoc and Bofo Bautista were justified. Trustworthy contingencies had not yet appeared. As Hernandez was deemed too young and injuries to other frontmen like De Nigris and Sabah really dwindled the potential squad. Franco himself was injured in the England friendly and would performed injured throughout the world cup and looked terribly slow. The prospect of having Bautista, Cuauhtemoc Blanco and Franco on the field no doubt scared every Tri fan's hopes of successful World Cup without a doubt as they could bring the Mexican attack to a screeching "vuelta de rueda" speed.
     
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  9. Rebaño_Sagrado

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    el choul

    I remember starting to read those reports what seems like ages ago, a few weeks back, but came away unimpressed when they mentioned Kikin Fonseca and/or Omar Bravo as key figures during Germany 2006.

    In lieu of the recent Mexico friendlies, the most interesting tactical development for me is the move from the double pivot to a single pivot by Chepo's teams. Who has used Salcido as the Pivot and Zavala as the man to help, former forward converted centermid, link with the more offensive minded players.

    In Mexico the move hasn't led too much debate. Although, in some dark and funky corners there will be those proclaiming a certain Gerardo Torrado's demise. On the other hand, in Netherlands, the use of a single or double pivot is causing lots of controversies.

    Here is an interesting take by one blogger.
    http://11tegen11.net/?p=1775

    Although, within Mexican fans there is some debate as to whether Chicharito should be the starting hitman or if we should save him to be the change of pacer off the bench.
     
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  10. Rebaño_Sagrado

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    Jorge Luis Pinto, current manager of Costa Rica as of the closing part of Hex qualifying for World Cup 2014 in Brazil

    http://www.jorgeluispinto.com/Estrategia/estrategias

    Some interesting break downs of games played by Mexico against Italy. He shows how Mexico dealt with Italy's offensive plans and how they broke them down. Also how Italy dealt with mexico, pressing and man-marking every player withing the immediate distance of the ball and leaving the longer passes to be marked in zone on the pitch when mexico had the ball.

    He also shows the Nads pressed Mexico into turning over possession in that 2002 World Cup game.

    He also shows how Netherlands was attempting to stretch the field with Overmars, Bergkam and De Boer mainly while Cocu and Davids showed up as strikers.
     
  11. metalmaster

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    The bolded is the easiest way to defeat Mexico. The same reason why Mexico has a hard time breaking bunkers. No one really with the skills to dribble past players or the vision to place the ball in the open space behind defenders and for players to make those moves without the ball to be able to collect those passes. Most every pass in Mexico's game is short and to the feet.....
     
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  12. OG Junglist

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    Jul 21, 2005
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    @Rebaño_Sagrado .... Good thread compa ...

    Man marking, ... and our current insecurity in the players themselves to take on players at times, makes them constantly pass the ball back... Thus creating less chances on last third ... I'm glad Rafa is back, we hace been lacking a real captain on the field, organizing the backs, and jumpstarting the attack ....
     
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  13. DGreat

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    Oct 5, 2007
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    looks li we need new tactical trends
     
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  14. Hecho en Chivas

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    Apr 22, 2004
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    more like new EVERYTHING

    where's the restart button?
     
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  15. #1Keeper

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    Feb 7, 2004
    Forget about tactics. First and foremost, it's a matter of the players' technical ability. Then it comes down to what roles the players are given and if they understand their roles. Then lastly, it's a question of tactics.

    You can talk about tactics all you want, but if the talent isn't available (or performing), you're not going to get anywhere.
     
  16. Perndog2006

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    Jul 24, 2006
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    the lavoilpismo returns to the seleccion thread
     

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