Syrian Civil War

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  1. rslfanboy

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    Thanks for doing the Twitter work-around.
     
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  2. yasik19

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    It's Tovarischi to you.
     
  3. Umar

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    It’s amazing how supporters of the israeli regime are so readily accepting of israel attacking countries that haven’t attacked it on the basis that they might not like the new government.

    Just imagine any other country behaving the same way.
     
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  4. rslfanboy

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    Ummmmm…… Do we really have to imagine?
     
  5. yasik19

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    Fyp. Why risk chemical weapons falling into the wrong hands? I'm surprised you're surprised.
     
  6. waitforit

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    Yes. I never liked Israel for the sh1t they do still don't. HAMAS is simply the wayy bigger evil so go Israel on that front.

    But first of all they said they destroyed the rest of chemical weapons of Assad facility. So they knew and accepted Assad still had chemical weapons. If they feared those weapons so much they should have destroyed them years ago as they clearly knew where they were hidden

    For just saying they will keep Golan Heights forever and for this

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    @netanyahu statement: “I approved the Air Force bombing of strategic military capabilities left by the Syrian military so that they will not fall into the hands of the jihadists. This is similar to what the British Air Force did when it bombed the fleet of the Vichy regime, which was cooperating with the Nazis, so that it would not fall into the Nazis' hands.”

    Bonus they being utter f0ckwits regarding Ukraine.

    I am sorry but Israel should have done that years ago
     
  7. yasik19

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    Yes, that has been very very disappointing.
     
  8. yasik19

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    I would wager that there was an agreement with Russia, which allowed Israel to basically have open sky and destroy various military targets in exchange for these weapons not being touched. Not sure if Israel simply could have destroyed those without any repercussions.
     
  9. Yoshou

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    Why would Israel destroy Syria's chemical weapons? Under Assad, they weren't at risk of being used on Israel. The risk of HTS using them on Israel is much larger.
     
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  10. waitforit

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    Because in the end they are chemical weapons and Israel is 10meters by 20meters. It could do big damage in Israel

    As for 0 risk regarding being used by Assad vs Israel I would not be so sure. Iran and Israel could have gone to full war easily so I have no idea why you trust Iran's errand boy to not do what Iran says

    And overall I disagree with the takes of last few days of Assad the great mediator that kept people in check in Syria.The Syrian Civil War which I guess is over now I am not versed at all (I watched a couple of good documentaries/videos to understand the actors a while back) but bad people are bad people

    I fully disagree with the notion that that part of the world just got worse because Assad fell.
     
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  11. Umar

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    Yes, yes, everyone’s antisemitic we get it.

    They aren’t bombing just chemical weapons caches.

    I wonder if the same logic applies because of wanted war criminal and suspected genocidist Netanyahu being in power, or if Smotrich or Ben Gvir get near the levers of power. Someone can then bomb Dimona, I assume?
     
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  12. Yoshou

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    Because Assad served two masters and one of them (Russia) operated his air defenses and equipped and maintained his military. Also, neither Iran, nor Israel really wanted to go to war. They saber rattle and even launched attacks on each other over the last half year, but for what they were, those attacks were very limited in scope and intended more for local consumption than to trigger a war.

    Who said Assad was the great mediator? Assad lasting the last 13 years was entirely because the countries that controlled the rebel factions and his administration didn't want the civil war to escalate any more once the Russians and Hezbollah had pushed the rebels back from Aleppo and ISIS had taken over much of eastern Syria.
     
  13. yasik19

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    No, not everyone is antisemitic, but you knew that. I also don't understand why you're asking silly questions for the sake of scoring some internet points presenting pedantic arguments.
     
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  14. The Irish Rover

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    "I'm very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words."
     
  15. Yoshou

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    They are targeting more than just the chemical weapons, they are also targeting the Syria's strategic capabilities as well, so aircraft, anti-air, naval, etc. Israel has an almost zero risk opportunity to degrade a regional rival to the point where they aren't really a rival for the next decade or so.
     
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  16. spejic

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    Now that Russia isn't sending them food and Iran isn't sending them oil, I wonder what's going to happen to the Syrian economy.
     
  17. What economy?
     
  18. Yoshou

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    Drill their own oil and grow their own crops? Syria doesn’t have huge oil reserves, but they do have enough to more than meet their own needs and Western Syria has pretty fertile growing land. They’ve just had a civil war and corruption to contend with..
     
  19. Unlike "optimists" in here, European leaders and the USA are very nervous about the aftermatch of the Assad fall.
    Those who now are in power are IS/Al Quaida/Muslim Brotherhood "former" members.
    The parts of Syria not controlled by Assad prior to his downfall were jihadist following the ideologies of al-Qaeda’s Osama bin Laden and Isis’s Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. They now have even more territory for their ideologies to grow.
    Al-Sharaar is from the Golan heights and his aim is to liberate it from the occupation by Israel.
    Make no mistake, the murderous campaign by Israel, facilitated by and unhampered by the West will have a magnetic appeal throughout the Islamic world to gather in Syria for revenge of the blood of children and women shed.
    We will see a call from extremist around the world, especially from the Muslim Brotherhood call to the Umma.
    The secular regime of Assad is wiped away and the religious factions triumphed, with memories of how we did nothing against Assad's chemical warfare against defenseless people, how we did nothing against the massacre of the Gaza women and children.
    There are no Russians and allies of Iran anymore to keep jihadists keen to join the party in Syria in check.
     
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  20. rslfanboy

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    IIRC, the Kurds, with the backing of the US, control most of the oil fields in Syria, and we are using that money to fund them?
     
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  21. Yoshou

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    Yes, but the Kurds can’t stand up against HTS and SNA, but it could also be a bargaining chip for the Kurds to get a seat at the table for an HTS led government.

    The article below is 5 years old, but it is still valid. Just replace the blue Assad regime areas with the orange/yellow around Idlib.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/50464561
     
  22. The Irish Rover

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    The Kurds control the oil and gas fields, which are located in heavily Arab areas.

    The Arab militia who allied themselves with the Kurds against ISIS and Assad have options now and are exercising them. And then there's Erdogan's militia allies

    The Kurds aren't going to hold them for long.
     
  23. Yoshou

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    Funny you should mention that.. The Arab allies of the Kurds have switched to support HTS and captured the largest oil field in Syria.

    https://bsky.app/profile/thestudyofwar.bsky.social/post/3ld37elptws26

     
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  24. Yoshou

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    After saying that Russia was near an agreement with the new regime to keep Russia's bases in Syria, it appears that Russia is accelerating its withdrawal from the air base. Satellite images show increased activities at the air base that are consistent with a withdrawal and photos have appeared that show the S400 battery at the base has been packed up and are awaiting transport out of the country.

    https://www.ft.com/content/1758cb11-c14e-4806-9449-08ed80e68893?shareType=nongift

    https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3ld77w5x46k2v

     
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  25. Yoshou

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    Russia has suspended grain shipments to Syria because the new regime has not agreed to let them keep the bases there. Almost immediately after the announcement that Russia was suspending the shipments, Ukraine announced that they are ready to start grain shipments to Syria.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/kyiv-ready-supply-food-syria-russia-supplies-suspended-2024-12-13/

     

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