Sympathy for the Devil..umm..I mean the Dixie Chicks...

J. Books · Mar 16, 2003

Modern Country music is an abomination. Satan lives in Nashville and (despite their pretentions otherwise) Austin, Texas is still well within the 9 planes of hell.

I'm no fan of the Dixie Chicks. They could be one of the coolest female bluegrass/stone country trios in music history...instead, they take the Shania Twain route and sell out big time. Just another audio-abortion south of the mason-dixon.

But I will stick up for them when it comes to their recent statements (and the fallout thereafter) at a show in London. At the concert one of the ladies claimed that she was embarrassed that George Bush was a fellow Texan.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...8&u=/ap/20030316/ap_on_en_mu/natalie_maines_3

Since then they've retracted their statements and apologized. Many country stations have boycotted them from the song lists anyway.....So... isn't that more evidence as to just how shamelessly incorporated these ladies are?

I say no.

A whole legion of rock personalities and movie stars have made their way to the podiums to speak out against U.S. military intentions, but I put it to you that this represents the TRUE evil.

There's no reason to be suprised at rock musicians or hollywood actors who come out against a war. Sean Penn doesn't want a war...big suprise...It comes with the territory. Show me the hot new rock band that's FOR Imperialism! THAT's something different.
Celebrities can pull these sort of stunts because they have nothing to do with reality and it fills the void in their useless, hollow, lives.

It's even worse when washed up and bloated "artists" like Jackson Browne wheel themselves onstage and raise a fist in defiance. That fist should still be bandaged up from beating the crap out of his latest girlfriend...how did he find time to attend an anti-war rally? Shouldn't he be throwing Darryl Hannah down the stairs?...

Are the Dixie Chicks any different?...not exactly...but they DO come from Bush country...Nascar country...Amer'ca...
They cater to a crowd that doesn't take kindly to that kind of second guessing. I live in Maryland, just south of the Mason-Dixon and there are already places that have changed their menus from "french fries" to "freedom fries" (which is so god damned ironic it makes my head spin)
I can imagine it's only worse points south and mid-west.
At the very least, the fact that they're willing speak out says so much more than someone from Audioslave doing the same thing.

But... you say...they caved in and apologized....

...Ok, that sucks, but it's not like they're R.E.M. ...despite their apologies, I choose to believe they MEANT it...and that serves as a real social Barometer on Bush and his policies...
...I mean, let's be honest, once you deglamarize history it's a shameless series of cave-ins...look at Robert the Bruce of Scotland, he made deals with the English right and left...Scotland still has their parliment...
...What, you say, does this have to do with anything? Nothing. I'm drunk.

But use this thread to vent against and/or concur with celebrity involvement in the current (or past) anti-war movement(s)
...does it mean anything? Is it a real indicator of current social thought, or a cheap marketing ploy by people who need to be bludgeoned...

your thoughts...

Ian McCracken · Mar 16, 2003

Dude, lay off the sauce.

Kappa18 · Mar 16, 2003

I was watching the MTV of Canada on my satelite dish and they had 3 doors down, and they came back all taned and hyped, from the small island/country of Bahrain!

Seems that Bush sent them there..
Sent them there you ask?!?!?!?

yep, he ask the boys for the Rock Band to go to the Islamic/Monarchy/Kingdom/bla bla bla/lots of banks and stuff country of Bahrain and play a gig for the American bawys who want to hear some music!!!!

Then the anchor asks "whats your view on the situation" and he said..."Well...war is not pretty, but you gotta do what you gotta do, Saddam is not a good guy today and we gotta take him out. I belive in bush"

I support 3 doors down! There new song (WHEN IM GONE) is good

CrewDust · Mar 16, 2003

GringoTex are you a Dixie Chick in disguise?

Nate505 · Mar 16, 2003

your thoughts...
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She said something that offended a large amount of her fans. How many would be shocked if someone like Nelly (yeah, yeah, I know, he should be boycotted anyway) got boycotted form his fans and stations refused to play his music if he came out against affirmative action?

J. Books · Mar 16, 2003

Re: Re: Sympathy for the Devil..umm..I mean the Dixie Chicks...

Originally posted by Mike Segroves
Sounds alot like the fans of 50's era rock belaboring Rap & Metal.

If it's too loud you're too old.

BTW. What are you into? Roy Acuff and Box Car Willie? Hell, you probably think the pinnacle of Country Music was Porter Wagoner singing "Green Green Grass of Home" while getting a hummer from Maybelle Addington Carter.

Jackass
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Give me Ferlin Husky or give me death...no really
I'm not trying to piss on your new Alan Jackson poster...

It's not too loud. It's Celine Dion with a slide guitar and a fake trailer trash drawl, but that's a discussion for the music board

Yes, I AM more of a Rock n Roll fan than anything. The point of my declaration against Modern Country was to put this whole thing in a certain perspective...I'm not a lefty Dixie Chick fan caught in the rain...I see this whole thing from Keith Richard's window...

but honest to Twitty, if you think Martina McBride can hold a candle to Patsy Cline, you're drunker than I am.

Originally posted by Mike Segroves

Jackass
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What's that have to do with the price of bread?

mactheknife · Mar 16, 2003

Originally posted by J. Books
Show me the hot new rock band that's FOR Imperialism
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godsmack.

Roel · Mar 16, 2003

What is godsmack? Smack is herion. Does that make godsmack the opiate for the masses?

Never heard of them. My daughter did just get the Dixie Chicks' latest album. It's not bad.

BillQ · Mar 16, 2003

First of all, I bought the latest Dixie Chicks album and found it to be a great CD.

That being said, the decision by Country radio stations to take DC tunes off the air shows the narrow-mindessness that programers in that genre are.

They are the real ones to blame why country music today is so damn bland and boring. These are the same people who absolutly would not play anything from the soundtrack from "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou," even though this was music from the roots of their music. I guess that all they want is Cowboy-wearing goofs and skinny women who have the "right" beliefs who play bland songs.

Natalie Maines should have never appologized for her comments. She should have stood by them, because the idiots at the stations would have pulled their music no matter what. So, Im a bit disapointed that she did pulll back.

The blacklist is alive and well in this country. ************ Bush!

Bill Q.

BenReilly · Mar 16, 2003

Re: Re: Sympathy for the Devil..umm..I mean the Dixie Chicks...

Originally posted by Mike Segroves
Sounds alot like the fans of 50's era rock belaboring Rap & Metal.

If it's too loud you're too old.

BTW. What are you into? Roy Acuff and Box Car Willie? Hell, you probably think the pinnacle of Country Music was Porter Wagoner singing "Green Green Grass of Home" while getting a hummer from Maybelle Addington Carter.

Jackass
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Not at all. Modern country is artistically inferior to country from the 1920s-1960s, just like pop music from the 70s was generally inferior to pop music from the 60s. Agree or disagree, the complaints are very different from anti-rap or anti-metal ones (or anti-Elvis, anti-Beatles), which are motivated by fear. Nobody is afraid of modern country. It's just not very good in general.

I can't stand that modern decadent shite.
I'd rather pull out the ol' 78s and listen to wholesome Carter Family tunes like:

He told her on tomorrow
That they would surely wed
But little was she thinking
He'd take her life instead

They motored to Bent Mountain
A place so dark and lone
And there her form so helpless
He placed beneath a stone

Away from home and mother
That Freda loved so well
The bitter pain and anguish
No mortal tongue can tell

Through tears she pled for mercy
Though he denied her cry
Young Harmon left his sweetheart
In agony to die

TheWakeUpBomb · Mar 16, 2003

Originally posted by BillQ
The blacklist is alive and well in this country. ************ Bush!
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Blacklist? If being on the blacklist means making several million dollars a year in record and tour revenue, I'd like to be added to it.

************ BillQ!

Nate505 · Mar 16, 2003

Originally posted by Roel
What is godsmack?
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Song #9 on Alice In Chains' masterpiece, Dirt.

BillQ · Mar 16, 2003

Originally posted by TheWakeUpBomb
Blacklist? If being on the blacklist means making several million dollars a year in record and tour revenue, I'd like to be added to it.
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Hmmmm I would like to know then why those who were blacklisted for their views in the '50s tended to be very poor for years, get no work for years and, in some cases, killed themselves?

TheWakeUpBomb · Mar 16, 2003

Originally posted by BillQ
Hmmmm I would like to know then why those who were blacklisted for their views in the '50s tended to be very poor for years, get no work for years and, in some cases, killed themselves?
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So, you admit that comparing the friggin' Dixie Chicks to people who were actually blacklisted may have been a bit of a stretch?

BillQ · Mar 17, 2003

Originally posted by TheWakeUpBomb
So, you admit that comparing the friggin' Dixie Chicks to people who were actually blacklisted may have been a bit of a stretch?
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No, I don't. Natalie Meanes spoke her mind and for that she is being taken off the air and boycotted for it. If, say, she had been screwing young boys (ala R. Kelly) then I could see why stations would take her off the air. Because she has an opposing viewpoint to moron crackers that like their country Toby Keith-Shania Twain sized, that is no reason for her artwork to be removed from public consumption.

Bill Q.

Nate505 · Mar 17, 2003

Originally posted by BillQ
No, I don't. Natalie Meanes spoke her mind and for that she is being taken off the air and boycotted for it. If, say, she had been screwing young boys (ala R. Kelly) then I could see why stations would take her off the air. Because she has an opposing viewpoint to moron crackers that like their country Toby Keith-Shania Twain sized, that is no reason for her artwork to be removed from public consumption.

Bill Q.
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Frankly, it is. She offended a huge portion of her viewing audience. You may not care for their opinions, but they have them. Hell, Cedric the Entertainer got blacklisted by many black groups for his jokes in a movie.
And like I said earlier, if a prominant person in hip hop came out against affirmative action, he would be blacklisted as well, because that view would not be very popular with many of their listeners.

TheWakeUpBomb · Mar 17, 2003

Originally posted by BillQ
No, I don't. Natalie Meanes spoke her mind and for that she is being taken off the air and boycotted for it. If, say, she had been screwing young boys (ala R. Kelly) then I could see why stations would take her off the air. Because she has an opposing viewpoint to moron crackers that like their country Toby Keith-Shania Twain sized, that is no reason for her artwork to be removed from public consumption.
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Moron crackers? So, the "moron crackers" can't express their viewpoint by expressing their displeasure to the radio stations?

As Segroves asked, why do you hate the first amendment?

J. Books · Mar 17, 2003

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sympathy for the Devil..umm..I mean the Dixie Chicks...

Originally posted by Mike Segroves
Ferlin Husky couldn't carry Johnny Cash's jock, but the sooner Alan Jackson drowns in the Chattahootchie, the better.

I still won't go on Wolverton mountain..

Celine Dion comes up on your C&W Stations? She's boycotted on mine because of her "French Connection"

LOL...

they can call her Shania or anything else but I knows what I hears... but damn it, that's not the point, anyway.

Obviously, the Chicks have no lefty fans, do they?

I don't know, I'm just saying I'm not one of them. But I STILL defend them...sort of...

I mowed Conway Twitty's lawn for a summer. Top that!

I can tell you've never gone this far before...

Marty Robbins died for your sins
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El Paso refried beans still rule!

Honestly, I'm not contesting the right of her fans and country stations to boycott, i think it's great that they've discovered their own genitalia...

I just think the Dixie Chicks dissing Bush sort of says something. And I think their fans are being sold ************************e. Because modern country stations are a creation to sell SUVs (and other ************************e) to a certain bracket of consumer.

And I have no qualms claiming that Toby Keith is a godless curr invented by the Sony corporation to sell Americans their Patriotism. Because it's true.

superdave · Mar 17, 2003

Originally posted by Nate505
Hell, Cedric the Entertainer got blacklisted by many black groups for his jokes in a movie.
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Source, please.

J. Books · Mar 17, 2003

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Originally posted by Mike Segroves
WOW you mean Modern Country music was the first to associate itself with Chevy Trucks?

Go do a little name search and see how many older country stars pimped big caddys, whiskey and smokes in their career.

And do you think I'd claim any respect for the fact that they did do that?

I think you're arguing this point in some attempt to dispell a fraudulent mythos of my creation.. which is far beyond the point of my original post (if there was one) anyway.
I can stand the fact that Willie Nelson sold out because he wrote a few songs worth listening to...and please believe if he were to write a tune called "Osama, you better watch out" I'd toss him in the same bonfire...

Well, then you're a fucking idiot.

youch!

Some one's switched you on to "Mean Old Man"...hope I never lose a frisbee in YOUR yard...

Why do you hate his freedom?
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I don't think you give the slightest god damn what "freedom" is in this conversation...your pissed off because I refered to a certain neck of the woods as "Nascar Country", which I can understand... but Jeebus, call a spade a spade. I'm all about freedom, man! It's my thing! I'm not looking for easy answers...that's what Toby Keith is payed to do... I hate his music, and I hate the fact that he buys into an easy political dogmas in order to portray an illusion of being "down to earth". If I didn't think he was rubbish I wouldn't of said it.

el_urchinio · Mar 17, 2003

This is beyond idiotic. I thought you listened to a band because of their music, not because of their political views. Did the quality of their songs decrease in these people's eyes after these comments?

You gots to learn to separate the musician from the person. If Bob Dylan was a neo-nazi, cross- burning, child molesting serial killer, it wouldn't take away from the fact that he's an amazing songwriter.

I bet most of the people who called these stations base their life on Garth Brooks between-the-song banter at concerts they've attended.

J. Books · Mar 17, 2003

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Originally posted by Mike Segroves
I don't think you understand what Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expression entail.

Do you honestly think that or did you write that because you had to reply to me?

If Ms. Means backed down because her fanbase reacted in an opposite manner to her opinions and she continues to want to appeal to them, then all she is is a gutless coward.

If she backed down because someone at her record label exercised a 'Pipe down Darlin' clause in her contract, then her rights have been abridged. Until we find out one way or the other, we have to assume that she chose to on her own.

Obviously. She is gutless...My original post was meant to be slightly humorous. But now it's come to this for some reason...

I still think the fact that she said something says something beyond the usual rock and roll political bleatings...

As long as they agree with your political stance. Otherwise, they're "moron crackers". Or did you mean that in a 'nice' way?

I didn't use that term, nor do I support the use of it. I just so happen to be a cracker.

Actually, he's paid based on how many of his records sell, just as the Chicks are.

My point exactly.

That's all you had to say.

I did... when I said Modern Counrty is an abomination.

Last time I checked, that was his right to free expression. Whether you like it or not.

Last time I checked I never said otherwise.
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Nate505 · Mar 17, 2003

Originally posted by superdave
Source, please.
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Ok, he didn't exactly get blacklisted, but the movie Barbershop was boycotted by the Rev. Jesse and Al because of the character he played. Not to mention Rosa Parks didn't attend one of the myraid of black awards shows due to Cedric hosting the show:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/883169.asp

J. Books · Mar 17, 2003

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Originally posted by Mike Segroves
I dunno anymore. I sat as a paid consultant in Decision Making study this weekend as a "mock juror" in a 1st Amendment case where the parties are deciding whether to settle or to go to trial.

I was stunned to find out that some people believe that it's alright to for a person with State or Federal power to punish another person under their authority with said S/F power if that person expressed an opinion that they didn't like.

I asked the guy if he thought it was OK if he said in this meeting "I don't like the Governor" and a week later the State Tax Commission was running an audit on him. He said, "No problem."

I was floored.
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Look man, I don't know what you think of me (if anything)...and I don't know if you'll believe when I say this (or care otherwise), but I'd take a bullet for the right of anyone anywhere to say anything that they'd like to. At least I'd like to think I'd take a bullet...it could be the beer and exaustion talking, but suffice to say, Freedom of Speech...I mean REAL Freedom of Speech ranks as high as you can get in my personal ideology...

I'm not against Toby Keith or any of his fans thinking the way they do to the point of pissing on their rights. I just don't like that mentality, personally, so I speak against it...I can still understand WHY they think that way. It would never piss me off to the point of not being able to converse in a civilized manner to them like some people do on this (or any) site. That's not me.

Nor do I think a person's political ideology particularly "makes the man". I have a few lifelong friends who have drifted into the whole national socialist thing, THAT'LL tax your patience as much as anything... but they're still decent human beings (in other ways) despite how stupid they are.

it was never my intention, nor will it ever be my intention to curb freedom of speech.

el_urchinio · Mar 17, 2003

Originally posted by Mike Segroves
If I did, I wouldn't own any Rage Against the Machine albums
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And I wouldn't be a huge Skynyrd fan. See, works both ways.