Suriname, Guyana, French Guiana

Discussion in 'CONMEBOL' started by PotomacMD89, Jun 17, 2023.

  1. PotomacMD89

    PotomacMD89 New Member

    Aug 10, 2012
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Hi Everyone,

    I have always wondered why Suriname, Guyana, and French Guiana were not members of CONMEBOL, since they are located on the South American continent. Does anyone know the history of that? Also, would it be better for them to join CONMEBOL? I know the competition would be tougher for them all, but imagine that they would be able to make more money?

    Would love to hear any thoughts about this!

    Thank you!
     
  2. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    They consider themselves to be more culturally Caribbean than South American.

    French Guiana is actually a department of France so they are technically Europeans in South America regionally playing as Caribbean people. (Try letting that sit in your brain for a while.)
     
  3. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #3 argentine soccer fan, Jul 9, 2023
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    Back in the day it was much easier to take a boat to play Haiti than to cross the jungle to play Brazil. Thus it started. Plus, I'm sure they'd rather not get their ass kicked so badly. Thus, it remained.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why don't we recruit Colombia and Venezuela for CONCACAF?
     
  5. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Venezuela maybe.
    Colombia would have to have Barranquilla and Cartagena maybe split from the rest of Colombia and play in the Caribbean. But Never going to happen since Barranquilla is the home of the National Team.
     
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  6. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Technically Trinidad and Tobago is only a couple miles from Venezuela. Having them come with Guyana and Suriname will make it 13 instead of 10.

    But they will get their asses kick 9/10 times, I think financially and politically, it favors them to stay with Concacaf.
     
  7. DrScorpio

    DrScorpio Member

    San Lorenzo
    Argentina
    Jan 6, 2022
    Don't know if it's true, but one time I read that the reason why Suriname (I don't know about the others) is not part of Conmebol is because they have more things in common with caribbean countries than south americans and didn't care about football as much as the rest of south america, so they decide to join Concacaf.
    Again, don't know if this is true but I read it somewhere and it made sense to me
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We should get Venezuela and Colombia to join CONCACAF. They're both Caribbean nations.
     
  9. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Heck, culturally they're basically islands - massive rivers separate the (populated) coastal regions from each other, with no bridges between the three, only ferries. French Guiana (Guyane) and Brazil finally built a bridge, but it's still sparsely used.

    Linguistically they have more in common with the Caribbean than South America too. Take the Guyanese diaspora, they tend to associate more with Caribbean festivals than Latin events in big cities in North America - English helps with that, obviously.

    French Guiana has cultural connections with Martinique and Guadeloupe (Ligue des Antilles, anyone?), Suriname with the ABC islands. CONMEBOL probably does just fine operating in two languages already.

    I believe Aruba, Guyana, Panama and Surinam are members of ODESUR - the South American Olympic organization - but I have a feeling CONMEBOL administers the football portion of the South American Games.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    French Guiana is part of France along with Guadeloupe, Martinique, Saint Martin, Saint Barthélemy and the frozen Department of Saint Pierre and Miquelon.

    Suriname was part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands until 1975. Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten still are.

    Guyana is part of the West Indies along with Belize, Jamaica, T&T and all those other cricket playing nations.

    Still, I think CONCACAF should try and adopt Venezuela as it's an afterthought in CONMEBOL.
     
  11. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    Because they are culturally and historically Caribbean nations with no meaningful ties or shared heritage with the Spanish/Portuguese speaking world. They are each on the South American continent - beyond that, they have nothing really to do with South America. They're Caribbeans.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shared heritage has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia, China and Australia playing in the same federation. Otherwise you could make a case for the US, Canada and Australia being in UEFA.

    I'm just being devil's avocado.
     
  13. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    Sure, you could always just totally ignore the heritage/historical/cultural factors and just throw teams wherever, and that happens (in football and other sports/organizations), but there seems to be a general tendency to try and keep some commonality where feasible and that's clearly what happened here. In this case, the Caribbean borders each nation, it isn't on the other side of the world, so to the extend geography prevents such unions elsewhere thats not a factor this time around.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tbh AFC should probably should probably spilt into 3. The Middle-East/Indian subcontinent, Northern Asia including China, Japan and Korea and the Pacific nations including Malaysia, the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia and Oceania.
     

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