Supreme Court to address sodomy laws

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by GringoTex, Mar 26, 2003.

  1. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
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    Like many states, Texas has sodomy laws on the books that everyone assumed were toothless relics from another era. That is until the dumbass D.A. in Harris County used it to convict two men who were screwing in a private bedroom.

    Now the U.S. Supreme Court has decided to take the case. The most interesting thing will be to see which two or three Supreme Court justices will be the idiots who vote to uphold the conviction.

    http://www.newsday.com/news/politic...,7547329.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
     
  2. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

    Apr 29, 1999
    fly-over country
    We'll have to see in which direction Scalia will cast his two votes.
     
  3. YanksFC

    YanksFC Member

    Feb 3, 2000
    Indianapolis
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    Slate's take on the case:

    http://slate.msn.com/id/2080693/

    I don't think the law stands a chance of survival. Save for Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist, I think the remainder of the Court is pretty embarrassed about the ruling in Bowers v. Hardwick, the predecessor to the Lawrence case.
     
  4. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
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    About friggin' time, damnit!

    The only thing that's more embarrassing than having a sodomy law on the books nowadays is the enforcement of said laws.
     
  5. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    Hmmmm...how can i make everyone here mad....ah yes! "I refuse to endorse sexual deviance, and i sincerely hope the USSC holds up this conviction."
    Thank you, I'm here all week.
     
  6. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Uh-oh! More deviants for the tuna guy to get excited about.
     
  7. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    New York, NY
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    I would never have sex with a gay guy.
     
  8. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    But you'd let him have sex with you?

    :D
     
  9. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    New York, NY
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    No way. I only have sex with straight guys.
     
  10. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Classic
     
  11. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    By taking this case, the supremes must be up to something. I'd guess that they're about to turn the "emanations" of privacy in the constitution into secretions and protuberances.

    As far as history goes, I seem to remember a slur by Octavian on Marc Anthony about taking it in the hershey hiway, to get his troops up for the big sea battle. Those Kansas City ************s have had it rough for a long time.

    Here in San Francisco, they have it a little easier. Even the football team has a preoccupation on wide receivers.
     
  12. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    Do not be sooooo certain that the US Supreme Court will overturn Bowers.

    1) Facts drive a case.

    2) The way the law in Texas is written will control more than anything else.

    3) The court could find against the way the statute is written, but make a specific finding that no constitutional right to this or that exists.

    4) The court ruling could be limited in scope.

    5) The court is ALWAYS aware what pandora's boxes it may open or close. It will be reluctant to make a ruling that has any far reaching consequences.

    When dealing with the supremes, never count your chickens...
     
  13. Scoey

    Scoey Member

    Oct 1, 1999
    Portland
    I know nothing about this present case, but it is very unlikely that Bowers v. Hardwick will be overturned. Why? The Court almost never, ever reverses itself.
     
  14. YanksFC

    YanksFC Member

    Feb 3, 2000
    Indianapolis
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    Well, I could be wrong in my opinion that the law doesn't stand a chance. I thought that the Court wouldn't support random student drug testing in the Earls case, but I was wrong on that account.
     
  15. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
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    But you have to factor in how many Justices, 30 years from now, want to be judged by history as mental ass-queens.
     
  16. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    You left out

    6) Scalia hates fags
     
  17. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    I think there's a good chance they'll overturn for a few reasons. 1) Sodomy is such an ill defined term. No one's quite sure what's included. See the slate article for this.

    2) The original decision was based largely on historical analysis that was just plain wrong. The historical brief written by George Chauncey lays out how anti-sodomy laws actually functioned historically, and in reconsidering a decision whose logic rests largely in historical analysis of sodomy laws, the court may give this brief a good deal of weight. (btw, Chauncey's Gay New York is one of the best history books written in the last 10 years. Regardless of how you feel about homosexuality, it's a remarkable work of historical reconstruction and makes a very interesting case that absolutist notions of gay and straight are very recent, as in the last 60 years, constructions).

    3) The justices are embarassed by the original reasoning in Bowers. Powell repudiated his affirmation after the fact. Many legal scholars have called it the worst decision in the past 20 years of the SC. Why would they grant cert if there wasn't a good chance of overturning?
     
  18. Scoey

    Scoey Member

    Oct 1, 1999
    Portland
    These are all reasons why they may render it toothless (as opposed to overturning it). I know its just semantics, but Bowers will likely be good law after the Court considers this. Why? They rarely overturn. Semantics, I know.
     
  19. edcrocker

    edcrocker Member+

    May 11, 1999
    What do you mean by "sexual deviance?"

    Should the US Supreme Court rule that, under the US Constitution, states may criminalize any form of sexual contact that cannot result in conception? If so, why?
     
  20. Danwoods

    Danwoods Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Bertram, TX, US
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    Sex with 14 year olds can lead to conception. Guess that would be OK? Or at least not sexually deviant.
     

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