Well the Olympic roster was supposed to include Aidan Morris before his transfer to Middlesbrough just like a few weeks ago
This is where we go a bit nutty. Weah and Dest did not get red cards because they knew they'd start the next game, nor McKennie the summer window previous. Dest got a red because he lost his freaking mind with concacrap stupidity, Weah lost his mind with concacrap ref stupidity on the Turner foul and then tried to shove a guy and hit him in the head instead of the back as he'd intended.... These weren't rationale, well reasoned decisions, they were impulsive, limbic system based moments of stupidity. McKennie just got a red for equal parts ref stupidity, as well as coming in aggressively after the kicking of Balo. They weren't thinking, I'll play next game with no consquences (hell they were auto out based on the reds), they were impulsively reacting to grand mal bull---- endemic in Concacrap. Neither of the guys draw red cards in Europe, what's telling is that the step down from UEFA reffing to Concacrap unpunished and often biased thuggery scrambles their impulse control. Too many people have felt the reds were about entitlement. It's not. It's about being young stupid males without a lot of impulse control who go from sane, consistent reffing to inconsistent, corrupt, and incompetent reffing (mixed with cultural acceptance of inconsistency and thuggery on the field in concacrap). This isn't some entitled thing. There's a reason males what, age 16-29 or whatever are responsible for like 80-85% of all violent crime in the world. It's because the human's walking around w/the least impulse control on the planet are precisely the same age and sex of our players.
I agree with the losing control because of ref stupidity. I mean I get furious myself and watched it for decades. I do think that it should be a regular topic before games. I would bring in several veterans of this stupidity to give concrete examples of exactly what to expect.
Mihailovic taking some heat Djordje did this more than once yesterday when he had the chance to push the game and be dangerous. pic.twitter.com/ft50MpzZ72— Daniel (@DanielSmith1022) August 3, 2024 Mihailovic: Goes to the Dutch league and flames out. Starts every game as an overage player.Booth: Best player for a top half team in the Dutch league. Rides the bench for Mihailovic to stink the place up and get make-a-wish minutes.— Nate (@Nate_Terveen) August 2, 2024
Who has done that? I've only seen an MLS cheerleader incorrectly claim that he got a ton of caps. What is funny is Zimmerman got more minutes playing like crap before his decent run in WCQ than CCV did over Berhalters whole time. Those caps have been spread and never a chance really settle in. Right now, id say the are a similar level and one still has room to grow. One is also a much better soccer player and it ain't Alexis Lalas 2.0. In a merit based system, CCV would have played a lot more last cycle. What did this guy do to hurt the SPL so much. Is it more impressive that one person ruins a league or for there to be a bunch. We played over 20 guys from MLS last cycle that couldn't make it in the SPL. I had very little respect MLS at the time, but it went negative by the end 2019.
CCV is pretty bad, not sure what anyone sees in him and never had... but not sure what any of this has to do with the Olympics or the YNT forum in general.
I like Booth as a player better than Miahilovic, but can a single one of these Booth boosters understand that he barely played CM in the Netherlands and has all his success as a winger? Also, he was not the "Best Player" for a top half team. In fact, he was hurt much of the year and played less than a thousand minutes.
While that is true I'm one of those who believes Booth's best position may still be as CM, sort of like a Japanese soldier still holed up on a remote Pacific island in the 1970s
Haha. Maybe -- though he seems a bit small to be an 8, and he's not really a playmaker. He's kind of caught in that same space that Tsakiris is caught in, or Cole Bassett a bit -- he's an offensive player but not good enough to be THE offensive player at the higher levels he can play. So you can either learn to defend and slide back in terms of role or you can swing to the wing where the playmaking expectations are lighter. Bassett slid "back" -- less physically than in role and suddenly he's a good 8 defensively that gives you bonus goals in MLS. Tsakiris is going to need to figure it out, because he either gets better offensively, finds a team with an elite playmaking winger who can carry him as an 8/10 or moves to the wing. Because in a league with Argentinian playmakers left and right, he's in a tough spot. Malik Tillman is another guy like this. I actually wonder if PSV is best for him, because it is really letting him continue to play this sort of good but not great AM role that doesn't exist in a lot of spaces. Most teams don't have the talent to play that if you aren't a good defender. A lot of teams play one if you ARE -- that's where his brother ended up, as a pressing "10." I actually wonder if he wouldn't be best as a second striker if he's not going to get into gear in terms of defending.
I agree. I don’t see the lack of I think CCV was on the SPL best IX which…wow. How bad is that league? But I digress.
I’m one of these people. My Booth argument isn’t even in comparison to Mihailovic. It’s that we’ve mostly used him wrong for about two years and this is why his career is going off the rails. Does his club team do it too? Yes, and this is where the genius idea likely originated from. I’ve lost any respect I’ve had for this club that they think Aaronson is a central player and Booth is a wide player. More so Booth, but I’m completely opposed to Booth as a wide attacking player and think Aaronson is more versatile in playing a bunch of different spots. Booth yesterday had a few take on attempts against these Moroccan defenders (so just average defenders not world class UCL defenders), and he flat out didn’t have the athleticism and true dynamic attacking skills to beat them. They shut him down very easily. USMNT, led by a mediocre coach in Sweden, went along with the idea because the team lacked wingers and then it seeped down to the U-23’s too. Booth’s best game for the U-23’s this cycle was as a #6. My view is not to compare Mihailovic and Booth. I think that’s ignoring the larger issue with the Booth discussion. Booth is not a top level winger. He is not even a natural winger. If he’s a winger, he’s simply a very marginal player. If you play him in his natural position (6 or 8), well then maybe we have a guy that could be a core USMNT player. We’re being selfish and stupid. We lack winger depth so we play this guy out of position and dilute his effectiveness for us. Probably the same exact equation for Utrecht.
Yow not Booth looks more to me like the guy could eventually step into the picture on the senior team and compete for a backup role at the wing. But I have doubts about him also at the next level. I mean all of these guys are questionable IMO. Booth, Yow, Pax they all look like solid players but have the feel about them that they are either tweeners or that they might plateau at a level lower than will be requisite. Are any of these guys that were on this team going to make a dent? Maybe, hopefully. Paredes as a depth piece? Is Booth going to break in as a CM in the senior pool any time soon, probably no. They are still young so hopefully but IDK. As for wing depth, Cole Campbell might leapfrog everyone and be our best bet in the mid term.
Here something that will blow your mind. Aaron Long has won MLS defender and Zimmerman has won it twice. In my mind that makes MLS much worse. I mean it is way more complicated than that, but this appears to be the path of your analysis.
That’s fair, nice Aaron Long pull. I don’t have much to say other than CCV on his best day isn’t half as good as Zimmerman but that’s just my opinion. I respect your opinion, I just can’t wrap my head around how you came to it.
I thought CCV was better in his game than Zimmerman was at the WC. How come you don't hold Zimmerman's mistakes and inability to distribute the ball against him. It is easy how I came it. I have been given 10x the amount of time i need to know i don't want zimmerman playing for the USMNT. Just too many holes in his game. Never sold on CCV, but don't think he hasnt gotten a chance to prove himself. I dont think he will be the answer, but we don't know because we didn't have a merit based system under Berhalter.
We’re off topic, but to me, CCV is making mistakes on the reg, Zimmerman isn’t. Every centerback makes mistakes. And I don’t think he’s any worse on the ball than CCV. And don’t even bring up the aerial game. I don’t understand how you can watch CCV and think this guy needs more bites at the apple, but I don’t need to understand, it is what it is.
The only thing I say is a player that doesn't fit a profile people have created. When I have watched him, he has looked unconventional but effective. How could Ccv have consistently made mistakes when he hasnt played consistently. I can recall plenty of Zimmerman mistakes and he had huge one recently in a youth tournament. Zimmerman is way worse on the ball. If you want to use a half as good reference it fits better in this context. Zimmerman is better in the air. Not sure by how much. I dont know how anybody needs to see more of Zimmerman. As I said before, if we had a merit based system, we would have seen the other gyy get a chance.
It’s that CCV is better on the ball in theory. But I agree that Zimmerman is clearly been ahead. He’s also however had a lot of injuries since the World Cup so that’s part of why I think he hasn’t been with the senior team as much as of late.
Nah... it is more about Zimmerman repeatedly getting called in for years and sucking. Then his play in away WCQ games is exaggerated to no end. He shit the bed at the WC and did the same at the Olympics. He is levels below the talent of the usmnt and he should go enjoy his massively inflated check with no pressure in MLS and then retire.
We don’t have a true winger after Puli. Too bad Konrad didn’t developed as we wish. Kelosheo maybe a winger. Then there are no one in the youth yank. Maybe BVB can develop another Puli for us (Campbell and the new kid). Then mainwhile just hope Cowell develops.
I didn't see the game, so can't really comment on the performance. I'll just say that the inevitable extreme negativity and navel gazing when the US program loses a match is always kinda silly. We're doing fine. We're continuing to build and expand our program. As we know, this particular team had nothing to do with our "best" U23 team. Seeing as we had 8 U23s on the Copa America team and countless others not released. We keep building our pool and building our pool and building our pool. There's no question we keep increasing the overall talent level of the pool. We're not Spain or Argentina or France. We aren't developing that depth of elite talent yet. When we lose a match on these boards we have a tendency to lose sight of how far we've come and how strong our trajectory is. Yes, we can do a lot of navel gazing about roster selections and depth at certain positions. But unless your France or Spain or Argentina or somebody.....................you're going to have depth issues at certain positions. Yes, it sucks that we don't have an army of USMNT-ready U23 centerbacks. But these things go in cycles, and CB is a late developing position. How many youth caps did Tim Ream have? This group was not anywhere as good as Spain or France or Argentina at this event. The selection of Luna or somebody other than Mihailovic wasn't going to make that difference. I'm sorry. There is a gap there between us and the best. And obviously a gap between us and Morocco (whose senior team does outrank us as well). We can thrash about and gnash our teeth because it makes us unhappy, but that's reality. We have work to do and investments to make. Its happening. Patience just isn't one of our virtues.
So the Men with no chance to medal, took MLS lifers to try to win, while the Women who are playing for a gold is also trying to build for the future. “I don't want them to be better," Emma Hayes said. "Truthfully. I want them to suffer."So, here is a story about suffering — and "pain caves," and the ultramarathoner Hayes tapped into ahead of the USWNT's Olympic semifinal:https://t.co/YgApPjR8GM— Henry Bushnell (@HenryBushnell) August 6, 2024