Summer is Coming.... the Summer Transfer Thread

Thank God we didnt sign him.


For summer, we need to lock down Cuadrado. Bring in Berardi. Buy a vice Marchisio. Buy a RWB. Sell either of Asamoah or Hernanes to clear some space for the vice Marchisio. And just hang on to Pogba, Dybala, Morata.

 

I doubt that Juve will bring in a RWB and keep Cuadrado in the same summer unless his fee is around 15m euros.
Regardless, these players need to prove themselves tomorrow. We will learn if Cuadrado is decisive enough to help Juve win ties vs teams like Bayern.

 

RWB isnt as important as the other positions i mentioned but its good to have a back up for lich and to give us flexiblity of formations. You cant play Cuadrado as a RB in 4 man backline anyway and lich is on his last year of contract. We have to at some point look to the future for that position.

 

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I'd love to somehow pry Darmian out of Man Utd.

that would be a big F-U to the granata di merda

 

fukk cavani...we're fine with Manzu and Super Subzaza

 

I more or less agree. Berardi as a vice Dybala, get another CM as a vice Marchisio, sell Hernanes, get a competitive RB for Licht. Don't let Pogba or Dybala leave. I'm neutral on Morata leaving and Cuadrado depending on cost. If Morata does leave, we'd probably be okay with Mandzu/Zaza, Dybala/Berardi and some random kid (Cerri?) as a 5th.

 

im ok with Morata leaving too, but no Cuadrado. I think Cuadrado brings a specialty to our team that we havent had in a while...same with Sandro. I love Morata and hope he stays but I'm not sure if he's strong enough mentally to get out of his slump. Maybe he'll prove us wrong, i dont mind him staying and i dont mind him leaving especially since with that money we can bring in another striker if we had to.

 

Juventus' squad depth is actually really good, I would argue perhaps even top 5 in Europe. The only problem is that a handful of the players on the starting team are already in their 30's (Buffon, Chiellini, Lichtsteiner, Marchisio).



I would guess that the main goal will be to sell Hernanes and Asamoah, and bring in additional depth into the midfield. Perhaps get one or two younger defenders as well.

 

The average age of the squad is a bit over 26 which is two years younger than last year's team. Bonucci is still in his prime and Chiellini is as well. CB hit their best year's later in their career.

As for outside backs, Sandro is already Evra's long term replacement and they need the equivalent fror Licht. They have a blend of midfielders of all ages but none older than 30. Same goes with the forwards. They are all under 30.

So it's really about upgrading the midfield by selling underperformers and buying one more high quality player. It still feels like they need one more difference maker in the mold of an upgraded Cuadrado or another playmaker type. Then finally RB is needed. That really only three additions to improve the side. The depth though is already there.

 

i hate how people bring up 30s as if your career is over once you turn from 29 to 30

if we've learned anything from Pirlo, Barzagli, Evra...age aint nothin but a number. Even outside of Juve there are tons of players that play well into their mid 30s.....its something to be aware of but its not end of the world like Totti turning 40

 

Not to mention Tevez took us to the CL final last year at 30/31

 

I wouldn't be overly concerned by the age factor. That said, we are a couple of pieces away from being mentioned along with Barca and Bayern as the best sides in the world.

 

Just imagine what could be accomplished at my age!

 

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If Juve manage to somehow get a result in Munich, it would only solidify last year's run. Usually I don't care for entertainment, but yesterday's match was the best in this first round of games.

Guardiola gave his thoughts on this matter actually. Click for video.

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There was also this...

"Maybe one day I will work in Italy. If they want me"

 

I love that response. Most people these days wanna act like Juve is a small club and have short term memory.

 

Did that idiot bother to watch the CL last season? We dominated Dortmund; deservingly sent Real packing and went toe-to-toe with Barca. We also beat City home and away this season. WTF is he talking about?

 

???? He's complementing us.

 

I was talking about the journalist who posed the question.

 

I have mentioned the age of Giorgio, Andrea, Licht, Evra several times on this forum but I want to be clear, I never said that they should be considered to be done or offloaded.

What I was saying is that most of these guys play 3-4 fronts each year in the CL, League, Copa, and Euros/ Friendly's, EC Qualifiers, obviously Evra is only playing 3 fronts.... What I was saying is this is not the NFL or Baseball, NBA where its seasonal play, Soccer players who made it typically have been playing at elite levels since their teens, they play year round and the miles put on their bodies far surpasses all of those sports, probaly even combined.... The Italian NT has been depending on Andrea, Giorgio, for a long time now, these guys while not being close to done, do do immense strain to their bodies.... I was saying I find it worrying that the club depends on them so much in all the fronts when we have a guy like Rugani, Sandro on the bench and did not make any move to secure a young able right back in the summer especially when a guy like Darmian while tho expensive, has a track record of success in this league and especially for the Azzurri, he has been one of the better consistant players for a few years and one of the few bright spots in the NT during the World Cup, he really stepped up for his cup and I see him as a rising star despite his injuries he has gotten at Man U.

All I wanted was to see guys like Stuaro, Rugani, get more minutes on the field and not in just formality token subs with 10 minutes up at end of the game which really does nothing for the player and can be counterproductive due to the fact that this player must try to make an impact enough to warrant future playing time with very little time to do so and often the player is given strict commands which hinders their play where as a sub in the 70s or 60s would give them flexibility to do both.

To be fair, Sandro and Stuaro have gotten good playing time.... But last year we didnt have Giorgio due to injury of muscle strain and Tevez was a question mark, we had won the league basically towards the end and even closer ot the end so it would make sense to give guys who play so often and so hard for club and country some rest when they have burning the candle at both ends so long. Litch has been pretty good in staying healthy and Caudrado can fill in in a pinch, but subbing him in that spot would be a wise thing to do to see how flexible Juan in in considering him for purchase, he does well at the top most of the time but we supposely have Berardi coming and that gives us several starting quality forwards so it would be wise to see Juan subbed in that role. Henry truly flourished when he was brought of his typical starting spot, i dont see why it's so bad to move a few guys around here and there, especialyl against weaker low table teams. I get how important points are and keeping consistanty in results, in addition to maintaining form of player especially before big games like CL, but several guys have stated that training is very hard at Juve and when u add massive amounts of playing time on a regular basis, I think its fair to understand why Injuries have been so frequent the past few years.

We know Rugani can play, he did great at a crappy team and played every game last year and did it so well, many teams wanted him, to see him come play bench warmer so often when we have a consistant track record of grinding down the health of guys we need for big games is disconcerting. I know this is a important part of the season in getting to the top of the table, but CL is the biggest thing hands down and this is the second season in a row where Giorgios health was worn down before a crucial CL game in which we could not field him, we lost both of those games, last years final was ok cuz we played the amazing Barca team and somewhat hung in with them, Bayern is a stacked great team and tieing with them is a big accomplishment despite the hole in goal differential we are in now....

But we NEED TO ADVANCE IN THE CL to get MONEY and RESTORE EUROPEAN QUALITY REPUTATION of this club if we really want to RETAIN guys like Pogba, Dybala, Alvaro, and be able to bring in guys who have looked past us such as Mario Gozte, Draxler, Oscar, Isco, etc...

Its a terrible thing what happened to football with big money and if we are going to be honest, its only going to get worse, as the sport grows in America as the huge hispanic demographic is set to overtake all other nationalities in the early 2020s(really only 5-8 years from now) American Money will join the ranks of Chinese, Arab, Russian, money that dominates funding today. We really are probaly going to see the sport turn into American Baseball on a much larger scale with small clubs being constant losers and if Juve intends to not go that route which I really hope it does not, We need to earn the respect of players and agents by solidifying Juve as a true CL quality team.

Dybala won't go anywhere next year but we are very well looking at his exit in around 3 years unless we destroy the giants in CL who will be knocking at his door very soon and it would not be terrible to lose Alvaro, but if we look at this team... we have been dependent on Italian players and fortunate to have the cream of crop with guys like Giorgio, Leo, Barzaglia, Claudio, lately... That being said... for many reasons, there appears to be a very real drop off in quality of the younger guys and this strategy may not be as beneficial as it was in the past... we don't have any Del Pieros, Tottis, Nestas, Cannavaros, Gattusos, Buffons, Pirlos.

I will say that Darmian does remind me of a Gross, Zambrotta player and I am sure he will develop into a important beneficial player. Marco Verratti is at the cusp of becoming a very important and talent driven midfielder tho his injury problems may be his downfall, he has played very good in a lesser league, tho he has shined in CL games including vs Barca last year. Berardi is someone who very well may turn into a brilliant player if he finds himself in the proper setting and is vigilant in his own life as to not turn into another Cassano. Rugani may be able to turn into the next big defensive back for Juve so there is several bright spots.

But we are swimming against a tidal wave of globalization that is growing at a very fast rate and will evolve past its current point. If I was a barca, real, chelsea, Man U fan, I would probaly quit being so because their success is severly cheapened by the fact that its heavily due to having the biggest pocket books, tho big money does not equal success... it does erode the history/culture/ genuineness of clubs that is something Juve is fortunate to still maintain. I would hate to see us have to trade that out to compete in the future and nothing is better then the underdog knocking out goliaths.

All of that aside, Juve has been great in locking up young talent the past few years and especially this year, but we would notice a huge drop off in losing a guy like Pogba and it can very well start a domino effect leading to exodus of others guys like we had last year.

It was to justify last year cuz Pirlo was probaly going to leave and Tevez already said early that, but then we lost Vidal and his off field antics, knee problem, helped lessen the blow.... but in the past CL game we played vs Bayern.... Vidal only missed 6 passes out of 115 with a 95 percent accuracy rate, Coman has also shown that he can be a starter last year and losing a young french player with lots of potential is not good when he follows a big star and also is a good friend of Paul who we need to keep.

All I was saying is actions have consequences and it seems we may be a bit too confident in running our crucial starters so hard when they are not the young players they used to be and we have able bodied young guys who can contribute in some form or another, but are not getting the chances to. It took Max a long time to decide to integrate Dybala into this team after we splashed 40 mill on him, honestly without him.... We would be mid table at best.

 

2018 Season is not far away and our current situation will be much different from where it is now.

Buffon will be likely in his final season
Padoin will likely be done
Giorgio will be 34 and could likely be playing his last year or second to last year, recent injury history suggest that and coming off the WC will be weighing on his body's condition
Lichtsteiner will also be 34 and will be in a very similar situation as Giorgio
Bonnuci will be 30 and probaly at peak of his career
Barzagli will be 36 if still with us.
Claudio will be 32, injuries have been an issue lately and he will be coming off World Cup as well
Evra will be 35 if hes still here, likely exit due to Sandro

Younger guys
Khedira will be 30, injury history, could fail to develop into next heir to the midfield due to injury
Caceras will be 30, injury history, bad off field behaviour, could fail to develop into next defensive heir and has not been stellar consistantly when on to consider him for that
Asamoah - Who knows due to injury
Lemina- Same thing

Stuaro is a bright sport looking forward and likely will stay,
Zaza looks good but will he be ok filling in as a spot starter and sub?
Dybala is someone we can count on probaly being around for 2018
Pogba- Who knows, very possibly gone and if not, 2018 very well could be his last year

Rugani - Great Attitude and loads of potential with history of being able to handle it, but will he get enough starting time next year to be ready to take over in 2018? We are actively trying to lock up Barzagli so there is that to consider... Also will another year of not enough playing time make him want to stay here? These are very real questions and scenarios..

Alvaro is someone I think will stay, that is if he does not leave this summer.

All I was saying is this team while has been doing great and locking up next gen talent, does have a brick wall in front of it. Its a problem when you sell Vidal and Coman to a club and you can not bring in Gotze, its also a problem when you can not get draxler. With these issues, Guys like Oscar and Isco are off limits, we have done well in getting several great young players like Paul, Dybala, Marota, Sandro... but this is before they become big names, the only big names we can get is guys at the end of their careers such as Mario Mandz, Tevez, Pirlo, Evra.

CL football demands that tier of player when you play the big dogs, Vidal is a huge factor in us losing at home.... It's easy to not realize that with the comeback, but these guys on this team don't remember winning the scudetto as much as they remember losing the CL last year, and so do all of transfer targets. We will net a lot of money for Paul if he's sold, but will we be able to draw in an equal talent with it or will we have to settle for a consolation prize. We don't need to stock expensive talent like the other titans, but when you lose 3 dominant and crucial players.... you need to be able to replace it some how and we got lucky Dybala turned into that because Paul and Alvaro have regressed and you can bet they will somewhat blame this internally on having to pick up bigger roles this year as creators rather then complimenting roles. Their agent is telling them right now that this failure is going to result in stock drop and pay decline so it's best to get out early.... Especially if Paul has a good Euro