Summer College Start date?

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Eddie K, Jun 28, 2022.

  1. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    I saw this post this week from Clemson and thought it was crazy. I know that some schools really want their players on campus early but it's not even July 1?! I know a few HS's literally just had graduation last weekend! Barely time for Senior week at the beach!

    Question - how early are all players, or just first-year players, expected on campus these days?

    I believe they can do supervised S&C workouts if they are enrolled in a class, but are not supposed to work out with a ball with coaches around. Has this become more common in the P5? I know because pointy football does it, some schools really want their female sports to spend the summer on campus as well for equity reasons.

    I think there are still lots of coaches who want their players to play in a U23 summer league or just get fit and be healthy for preseason.

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  2. Wildcatter

    Wildcatter Member

    Sep 9, 2018
    I think its pretty common among the power 5. Probably at the mercy of when summer 2 terms start. Most start end of June which is why you are seeing players back.

    Players are allowed to work with the strength and conditioning coaches and most will have captain led soccer practices.
     
  3. KayJay1

    KayJay1 New Member

    Mizzou
    United States
    Apr 15, 2017
    That’s about right. End of Summer I, beginning of Summer II.
     
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  4. Rank Cleats

    Rank Cleats New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jan 5, 2020
    Ivy school players don't return to early/mid Aug
     
  5. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    Thanks for that reminder. I bet they use that kind of fact in their recruiting at Ivies.

    A college student I know very well got a competitive summer internship with a major national bank and it doesn't end until July 22nd. These are the kinds of things players at P5 schools with that crazy summer expectation don't get to do I guess.
     
  6. Sledhead

    Sledhead Member

    Atalanta
    United States
    Jul 14, 2019
    My daughter, mid major D1, reports 7/18 for "bonding" week. Official coach led team stuff starts 7/25.
     
  7. NewbieSoccerMom

    NewbieSoccerMom New Member

    Chicago
    United States
    Nov 4, 2021
    My daughter, Mid Major D1 on West Coast reports / starts July 11th for Captain practice before official practice. We also have friends going Big East, P5 - they all report July 5th/July 6th. I will say one of those schools didn't even ask freshmen to come in the past so this is the first year. We also have another friend in Mid-D1 in mountain range who reported June 28th. First time for that program to be so early but they learned freshmen adjusting to the altitude took longer for most so moving it up (I don't know if practicing per se or just on site to get used to altitude). Lastly - I think all these programs the freshmen were officially listed as optional.......but seriously you'd have to be pretty strong/confident/almost arrogant to skip it right?
     
  8. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    They have to list it as optional. I would be curious to know how many players skip it and if there are subtle or not so subtle consequences.
     
  9. upprv

    upprv Member

    Aug 4, 2004
    There’s a push to move the official start date earlier (from august 1 to mid July). As it stands 9 days isn’t enough time to be prepared for the season. All it would take is the womens college soccer players to start vocally protesting the unfair, inequitable nature of this to get it changed. As it is the basketballs keep getting more and more summer time allowed and football as well.

    soccer remains an outsider in the ncaa eyes.
     
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  10. unkiemark

    unkiemark Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Boulder
    This is something that I've wondered about for years. It makes no sense to have such a short period of time from the start of the first official practice to the first game that counts. It seems that 3 weeks should be about the minimum amount preseason practiceeee.

    A few years back I asked Danny Sanchez (U of Colorado) about this, and his response was something about how schools like the University of Northern Colorado couldn't afford the costs of the housing and food required for more preseason practice.
     
  11. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    Summer housing costs, weather (cannot start the regular season any later), and players needing a break between the spring and fall seasons, make this challenging. I agree it is too short. I would propose adding one week earlier than the current start date.
     
  12. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    I'm curious - did your player know they would have no summers in college then?
    or that it would be only 2-3 weeks? Are they ok with it?
    I was just reading how a State HS Player of the Year won a State Title with her team June 18th and has already reported to her SEC college!
    I wonder what the true value is of these mostly unsupervised summers? Some college towns are cool but many are pretty dead in the summer.
    I've seen lots of resumes over the year's from recent D1 players that have near zero work experience, no internships, not even in clubs or honor societies, nothing. I just wonder if a few weeks of summer running and weight training is worth it. Some coaches are taking the last couple months of time from these players in the summer just because they can? Is it just competitive impulse? kinda fomo?
    Thanks!
     
  13. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I have the least athletic kids on the planet. For the reasons you mentioned, it hasn't bothered me day in my life as a parent.
     
  14. Nooneimportant

    Leeds United
    Jan 12, 2021
    Not all players want to start earlier because they want a summer to do internships. It is another example of why division 1 needs to split. The Ivy, Patriot, and other academic kid don’t want earlier starts for the most part (not all). They actually want be able to do a full internship so that they can have a competitive resume beyond just kicking a ball.

    It may help win more games, but it may not be the best thing for the student-athletes who aren’t going pro.
     
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  15. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    Some of these coaches ask/require the incoming freshman to take a class in the summer before their first semester. They use this to get them on campus. Most women's soccer players are good students so they do not need a head start academically. Its a ruse to get them there to train.
     
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  16. NewbieSoccerMom

    NewbieSoccerMom New Member

    Chicago
    United States
    Nov 4, 2021
    I ironically I work at one of the largest professional services/ consulting firm in the world and heavily involved with recruiting and interviewing in my area. I can tell you being an athlete (unfairly D1 has more eliteness) while in college has its own special trait to make you stand out. It also tells you this person understands sacrifices, time management, dealing with high stress situations, working closely with team for an end goal and truly being/building culture around them. If framed right by the interviewee, these individuals have more true life lessons/working ethics/drive to succeed than most people. On a side note - One of the best people I interviewed worked from high school to college at fast food being one of the youngest managers - he knew about business and client service than anyone. Of course having the grades is the underlying start. Grades get you the interview.

    As for burn out on surface - maybe? But many, many of them are playing for these 'local, professional teams that have summer leagues' from girls in my area to my daugthers college teammates who got together and joined a team in a different part of the US.
     
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  17. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    This is not allowed? Unless by 'coach' you mean strength & conditioning coach.
     
  18. Nacho Cheese

    Nacho Cheese New Member

    Mar 22, 2022
    I don’t think it’s a ruse at all. Coaches aren’t deceiving players when setting that expectation. It’s a pretty honest and straightforward way to get them building strength and doing fitness in a controlled environment with certified strength and conditioning coaches for a full month before official training begins. Also definitely helps cut the cord with parents for incoming freshman and helps freshman and transfers build those bonds with the existing team without the pressure of performing under their actual coaches.

    If you’re a division 1 coach, would you prefer to have your kids on campus in a controlled environment doing prescribed fitness in good facilities while supervised by professionals in that field and taking one class so they can knock out an easy three hours so maybe they can take three fewer hours in the fall semester when travel is crazy? (These classes are 99% of the time paid for)

    OR

    Would you rather trust that your kids are doing what they’re supposed to do on their own (many do, for sure!) and not move in til literally a day or two before practice begins etc.

    I, personally, don’t know a ton of 18-22 year olds after that after a month or two at home aren’t pretty ready to go back to college, internships and work notwithstanding. No brainer to me. Not to mention not at all a “ruse”

    Plenty of low/mid majors don’t require players to do this. And there’s always lower levels, too. But it’s sensible for serious soccer players that have high aspirations and I see, experience, and have heard of very few drawbacks.
     
  19. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    Maybe ruse was a poor choice of words, but you just confirmed what I was saying ... that they use encouraging/requiring them to take a summer school course to get them on campus to train.
     
  20. Sledhead

    Sledhead Member

    Atalanta
    United States
    Jul 14, 2019
    I had my dates off. Next week is the captains practices and workouts with strength coach. The following week is when coach led stuff happens.
     
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  21. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard New Member

    Paris Saint Germain
    France
    Nov 8, 2021
    Here on the West Coast, the most successful NCAA Division I women's soccer head coaches are more open and flexible with their incoming freshwomen, who are either working, in an internship, attending college or university, traveling, or serving as a volunteer overseas, or on vacation with their parents. It's not unusual to see them juggling a soccer ball like Tobin Heath in a park in Amsterdam, Barcelona, Bergen, Cape Town, Copenhagen, Buenos Aires, London, Melbourne, Nairobi, Paris, Oslo, Santiago, Stockholm, Sydney, or Tokyo.
     
  22. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    I know one top 20 west coast program that doesn't have their team coming in until August 1, freshmen included.
     
  23. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    I don't think this is all that unusual. If you want your players coming in a month early, then you have to deal with the headaches of housing that comes with that. A ton of ACC players were still playing with their W League teams in their hometowns this past weekend. I don't think there's a lot of full teams on campus right now.
     
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  24. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    Thanks for the input on this folks. I started this thread by sharing a Clemson post of their first-year players moving in in June. I think this 'early move in' or 'kill your summer' program, depending on how you look at it, is a direct reflection of FB pushing for it so athletic departments ask their Fall female teams to do it as well. Or at least they offer it or encourage it with female teams because there are FB players on campus early. What teams do it, how required it is, and for what players differs greatly it seems. No question it would limit some players ability to play any competitive summer games, and there are lots of summer teams out there now.

    Certainly it's debatable how much it truly helps with the development of the team or the integration of new players. I don't think it's a matter of trust. Players that aren't committed to fitness and nutrition aren't making it anyway, regardless of where they spend their summer.

    I think its often a matter of fomo. Their competition is doing it so I guess we should do it. I bet some coaches are using it in recruiting for sure. Hey, we have the resources to help you get ready in the summer vs we trust you in the summer and want you to play competitive games. For some players the rest and rehab is as important as summer games.

    and fyi - the summer internship the player I know did with the bank has led to a job offer starting day 1 after she graduates next Spring. No question some college players just don't get that summer internship or work experience at some schools with these summer expectations. I guess the lesson is to know what you're getting into. Add that summer question to your list when being recruited. Esp if you come from a club with a good summer team or think an internship or other summer work is going to be important.
     

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