Summer 2022 Transfer Thread - What's next???

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It's interesting that it would have been cheaper to have to splashed cash on a guy like Tielemans - Arsenal would probably have locked top 4 with him

    Now no top 4, and still need a guy like Tielemans
     
  2. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Bruno…………….cost 35mil and absolutely bossed our midfield this week
     
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  3. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Going all in on Vlahovic in January was a huge unforced error.
     
  4. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not adding a CM & ST in Jan was a huge mistake.
     
  5. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  6. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    My reading of it was they also went all-in on Tielemans. When they were quoted an exorbitant fee they told the player to wait until the summer. But again, they missed out on similar, if not better alternatives in the process.

    The January window is the reason why we're fifth and Tottenham is fourth. They wouldn't be above us without Kulusevski and Romero.
     
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  7. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
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    Arsenal FC
    All this reads as a transfer process that is still wayyyy too directed by the manager. Managers frequently hone in on the guys that they want. It's up to the technical staff to offer a list of reasonable alternatives and/or squad build with the archetypes the manager wants in mind, not just to go and only do what the manager wants. It's to everyone's detriment if Arteta is the only person in the room with the ability to direct transfer business.
     
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  8. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That's true.

    Don't get what they see in Tielemans.
     
  9. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Arsenal FC
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    You mean instead of Partey two seasons ago? If so, I don't really rate Tielemanns as highly as some, so I'd disagree.
     
  10. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Tielemans is exactly not what we need. We need more athletes.
    Yup. It’s a joke we didn’t bring him.
     
  11. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Tielmens is another cm overrated because he scored a couple of bangers

    we need a mobile player

    bissouma would be perfect
     
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  12. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Leicester bought Tielemans for £40m 3 years ago, they weren't going to sell him to Arsenal one year later unless it was at a huge profit.

    Tielemans is rumored to leave now because he has 12 months left on his deal and his agent is trying to get him paid. I have no doubt Arsenal are interested, but I question whether he is a top priority - there were similar rumors about another Leicester player (Maddison) last summer and it turned out to be mostly agent driven with Odegaard as the true #1 target.

    Bissouma is in the final year of his contract and won't have AFCON next year.
     
  13. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Midfield was a short-term need in January due to the absence of Partey and Elneny at AFCON and the injury/suspension to Xhaka. Striker was the much bigger need. Guimaraes wasn't an immediate impact player, his first 3 matches at Newcastle were a combined 4 minutes, he didn't start until his 6th match. If Arteta preferred other midfield targets in the summer, there was no reason to buy Guimaraes then. It's only in hindsight that it looks like a huge mistake.
     
  14. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another CM name to throw out there... Gavi.

    He has 12 mths left on his deal and negotiations with Barca aren't going well. He wants assurances of first team football (had over 30 app this season) but Barca has already signed Kessie and is being linked with several other CMs. Added bonus, he is young enough to eventually be HG. We cant necessarily offer him starting minutes but we could offer opportunity as a backup to both the #8 and #10 spots which should get him plenty of opportunity.
     
  15. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gavi's WhoScored...

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    Gavi's Fbref...

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  16. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    i am super intrigued by the behind the scenes story on this one.

    1) player appeared to have wanted to come here? we're no longer the wenger arsenal of old so that, for me, is not a small thing.
    2) price seems not completely out of line given we were ready to drop 70 on vlahovic (and that deal was already off the table as his juventus deal had completed).
    3) we kicked the tire pretty hard on arthur melo so this was clearly a position they identified as a need that they wanted to work on.
    4) i'd never seen him play but remember comparisons here to being a better xhaka and, if so, that seems like a fit?

    i feel like there has to be more of story there, especially with that video. maybe some lingering issues with the agent?
     
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  17. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    feels that way. the only thing i can think of as a legitimate possibility is them hoping nobody else* had/wanted to drop 70** during the winter window where there would be likely be more competition during the summer window.

    * nobody else who wanted to chase vlahovic. i feel like the expectation is city and real are waiting on chasing haaland.

    ** i keep trying to figure out why 70 was available for vlahovic but we didn't move for bruno (or anyone else). the only thing that i've been able to come up with is, after wasting 100+ for, i think, 3 (?) windows in a row - leading to lewis installed as overseer - with no CL money coming in, they were unwilling to just give out more money but was willing to approve 70 on vlahovic as an investment because he could move on for more in 2-3 years? does that sound like a possibility?
     
  18. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    uh, hello? i saw a straight backward pass in midfield nearly leading to a goal and a leg stuck out for a take down after getting beat (yellow for most, red for xhaka). if that's not arsenal DNA, i don't know what is!

    jokes aside, i think he'd be a legitimate-but-not-ideal fit for that role xhaka fills now. i'd prefer someone with a higher work rate and possibly better defensive instinct but tielemans is capable of providing some defensive coverage alongside partey (though don't see him being as good at sliding over and covering for his left-back) while being an improvement as the alt-10 in possession.
     
  19. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    the cool part about bissouma is it wouldn't always have to be partey who stays back and receives the ball/protect the back 4. they can alternate depending on situation or rhythm.
     
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  20. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  21. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ESPN UK reporting that City has quoted us 55m GBP for Jesus. They claim we have tapped the breaks to consider other options.
     
  22. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    if they end up buying him then edu, venkatesham, and arteta need to be fired en masse along with whoever else makes decisions. what all i could find literally said what broke that arthur melo move was because juve insisted on the loan being 18 months instead of 6, we said no, and both sides refused to budge.
     
  23. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have a hard time seeing us sell Gabi. Could potentially see us still being interested in Arthur at the right price but I think there are several better options that could be had fairly cheap due to 2023 expiring contracts. Just a few options that will have 12 mths left... Tielemans, Fabian, Bissouma, Soler, Sanches, Caqueret, Aouar & Gavi.
     
  24. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  25. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    55 is way too much

    move on

    also bissouma can play as a single pivot or in a 2 or as an 8
     

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