Now, suppose somebody did this with, say, Jesse Jackson. Funny thing is, we all know you extremists won't see anything wrong with this.
Well, Bill, they really DON'T get away with it because it's so laughable on the face of it. There is this all-too-obvious strain in the left to see multi-national conspiriacies everywhere (any Illuminati fans out there on this board??) to assume the United States is evil and rapacious, to assume that the "norms" of other cultures are perfectly acceptable because, of course, OUR culture is hegemonic, to flail in apoplectic despair and pessimism about the actions, past and present, of the United States government, yada, yada, yada in an endless, monotonous drone of predictable loathing and intellectual vacuity...
The only reason the "left" may get away with something like this more than the "right" is that the "left" has a much better history of racial sensitivity. That said, I am surprised by such an attack on Colin Powell, who seems to be the sole beacon of moderation in the current extremist administration.
There's nothing more pitiful and depressing than the constant whining and childishness one finds when dealing with members of the left such as these and their counterparts walking amongst the right.
Agreed. I'm not going to defend that flyer or whatever it is, though. It's racist, and that's that. I still think we'd be better off if they all were looking for work in January 2005, but Powell has been one of Bush's better appointees. It would be interesting to see what would happen if they would actually let him take the lead in foreign policy.
But that's the irony, don't you see? This sort of extremism, and the rest of the hysterical nonsense from the left right now, only ensures that Powell and the rest of the administration will win re-election in 2004. The electorate is overwhelmingly turned off by this kind of stuff. It plays well only amongst a small group of college-age dope smokers who think it's SOOOOOO cute and funny, and does incalculable damage to your cause at the voting booth. Please keep it up.
this is true. But I don't know if I agree that it does incalculable damage at voting booths. Just like silly spoutings of extremists on the right don't do great damage at the voting booths among republicans. The far left and far right should be ignored, unfortunately, as this thread is perfect evidence, that isn't possible I guess.
Black Democrates call him an Uncle Tom but never to his face. If he was a democrate he would be a Black hero. Remember when they made fun of Dole because he was old and slightly crippled? The same kind of people the democrates rely on for votes. NOW wanted Packwood out, but no matter what Clinton did to women they loved him any way.
I absolutely agree. The problem at the moment is that the anti-Bush radical haters, who really care nothing in particular about "peace" or "civilians" or anything other than embarassing the President, are doing everything in their power to get and stay on the air and in the news. Jerry Falwells' occasional mewlings about this or that fade into the woodwork while 1000 people participate in a "vomit-in" in San Francisco. If you don't think that turns the huge, moderate middle off you're crazy. The US is winning in Iraq, and the left is working their asses off to discredit themselves at home. They've let their blind hatred get in the way of their goals and, frankly, have appeared to Mr and Mrs America to have basically sided with Saddam Hussein. Don't yell at me for saying that. It's just the facts here. The polls reflect it. The problem is that this is the only playbook the left has. And saying "We Support Our Troops but hate the reason they're there, think they're working at killing civilians and conquering an innocent nation in order to plunder their oil for the benefit of a corrupt Republican dictatorship" is such patent, arrogant and transparent nonsense. It's not fooling anybody at all. Again, argue all you want. But look around, check the polls. Even CNN has given up rooting for Hussein. It's time the left stopped shooting itself in the foot.
I hope you guys realize that attributing a flyer like this to all liberals, is akin to attributing Pat Buchanan's ideas to all conservatives.
Maybe they have. As you said CNN even has stopped "rooting for Hussein", as in the protestors haven't been center stage for a good while now, etc. etc., and Frankly, I almost forgot people were even still protesting. Hopefully, cooler heads among the left will begin to take the stage and straighten the party out. I get the feeling thats happening.
I see the occasional signs of it, and I truly and sincerely hope that you're right. Al Gore made it clear recently that, for him, the class warfare view of the world is still the party's ticket. It was his final break with Lieberman and the others who think that's a ticket to disaster. I thought the 2002 election proved that the electorate just isn't into extremism any more. Bob Barr and Cynthia McKinney were an interesting duet. We're a nation that, despite what we think, has always worked best when we can find a compromise. As Shelby Foote rightly points out, the worst thing that ever happened to the US, the Civil War, happened when we were unable to do that. (Of course, in that instance, there probably wasn't any "middle ground"). The give and take of ideas, the swing back and forth of the pendulum until a solution is located which the majority can live with has always been what made America great. We CAN have rational dialogue on the issues, and we CAN come up with solutions that everybody can live with. When political debate doesn't start with "I'm a moral good person and you're a narrow, bigoted oppressor" we can go back to dealing intelligently with the challenges we face. I look forward to that day.
Actually, Bill, it plays really well among really, really closed minded people who paint "THE LEFT" as being responsible for this, rather than the single dope who posted it. So far, it seems to have played well among you. Did it give you the opportunity to post something like this? This is indeed why the Right can win. They have ostensibly sensible people like you who show their stripes everyday -- willing to throw a black/white blanket over every issue. People like you do incalculable damage to anything left of center, because you throw out this garbage, and you think like this.
Success does come from meeting in the middle, period. Whether they like it or not each side needs the other for the government to work. Is there a recognized view that is "centrist"? I tend to think of myself as one, so I guess it is possible. That's part of the problem with being forced to choose one side or the other every four years. Noone is willing to come out and campaign for the middle!
WAAAAH!! Stop your whining. It's left-wing complaining & in-fighting that allowed a relative political novice like Bush to win the White House in the 1st place. Gore had a still solid economy and had just spent 8 yrs. as VP. If that doesn't tell you that the left's ideas SUCK and that America has whole-heartedly rejected them, than nothing will. A new day has dawned and you babies can whine as long as you want as the feeble opposition party. A female editor at The Nation was on Matthews today and she STILL said that Gore should have won the election. We're coming up to the '04 election soon and they can't get over it. No wonder nobody takes the Dems seriously.
If by "whole-heartedly rejected them," you mean, "more people voted for the 2 left candidates than the 2 right candidates," then you're correct. But, somehow, I think even you don't mean that.