Study: Democrats more anti-Semitic than GOPers

WOW!!

A worldnetdaily exclusive...

This is about as authoritative, and unbaised as National Review.

Or The Nation (if one's a liberal).

 

WND didn't do the study, the Institute for Jewish & Community Research did.


Alex

 

Sexual Deviants and Adulterers more likely to vote Democrat.

 

Being an "integrated" (and young - 19 -) Jew, pretty much the only gross anti-semitism I've encountered was in grade school, but this has always bothered me because I've never understood it:

From everything I gather, the Romans killed Jesus (crucifixion), did they not? So why this belief about the Jews killing Jesus?

 

The Gospel of John, chapters 18 and 19.

Whether anything like this actually happened is another story--the book of John wasn't published until 70 years after the events of those chapters.

 

Want anti-Semitism?

Read my sig.

 

Well, the final power WAS in Pilate's hands (that's why the Sanhedrin needed to have Y'shua tried by the Romans and not themselves) and it's not like the Romans were generally afraid to slaughter a few thousand people if they got out of hand (as the subsequent events surrounding the Jewish revolts proved just a few years after Y'shua's death). As long as the tax money made its way to Caesar, the local Roman officials could pretty much do as they pleased, especially in troublesome places like most of the border regions as long as their actions didn't disrupt the tax flow or cause political problems that might cause a province to become more expensive to rule than it paid in taxes.

Sure, the Sanhedrin wanted Jesus dead (if you believe the Gospels) but technically it WAS the Romans who chose to kill him to avoid the potential of Y'shua and his followers making trouble during an especially volatile Jewish festival. And Pilate made a quick political calculation and decided that it was in HIS best interests to kill Y'shua too, even if the Gospel accounts are accurate and don't reflect later anti-Jewish and/or pro-Roman bias once the Y'shua people finally gathered enough gentile supporters to definitively break from Judaism in the late second or third century.

I also think that the Sanhedrin also simply didn't want another mass slaughter of their own people as well looking out for their own narrow interests (again, if you believe the Gospel account). The Jewish leaders would have painfully aware that the Romans weren't exactly shy about depopulating whole towns if they felt the need to do so. In fact, that belief was more than confirmed within the lifetime of Y'shua's original followers when the Romans not only put down the Jewish rebellion but destroyed the Temple and exiled all Jews from the Levant to boot.

I'm not willing to let Pilate off so lightly even if the Gospels are accurate. Roman governors, especially those sent to known troublesome provinces like Judea, weren't exactly shrinking violets here. Yeah, Pilate was placed into a bit of a bind that was nothing new for him and I suspect that the sympathetic portrayal of Pilate as almost as big a victim of the wickedness of the Jewish leaders as Y'shua was deliberately done to make Christianity appeal to Roman readers, either to not put off potential Roman converts or to argue to Roman authorities that Christians weren't really subversive and that the other Roman authority who had had Y'shua killed for being subversive was wrong but was also forced into it by outsiders so it wasn't his fault now kindly don't persecute us if you please. So while the early Christians could not deny that their founder had been executed by a Roman official as a political subversive, they could try to put the best possible spin on the situation to attract Roman converts and appease the Roman authorities.

 

First Jewish president will probably be a Democrat while the first "minority" president will probably be a Republican. As for the first women that's up in the air still but probably be a Democrat.

 

What do you expect from a bunch of polytheists?

 

The way things are going, the first minority president will probably also be a woman and a Republican.

Rice in 2008!

 

At least it wasn't primarily religiously motivated - on the Romans' part at least. It wasn't the Romans' fault the monotheists were revolting. Er, let me rephrase that...

Of course, if only the Levant had mountain ranges like Europe, then they'd never had had any religious violence and the point would be moot!

 

I'll remind you of that next time I'm arguing with you about the Palestinians.

By the way, several friends of mine who are Jewish agree with what I posted. How do I know? Because they told me about how they wish all Jews had acted like the ones in Warsaw before I ever thought about it myself.


Alex

 

Actually, my former roommate (who is Jewish) had said the pretty much the same thing.

I think that Mr Distort is just trying to discredit you since your views tend to be different than his.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if some Jews wish their co-religionists had at least gone down fighting. No anti-semitism there.

The problem comes with Axis Alex's comments about those who did not so fight back. Even leaving aside the whole corpus of Alex's past posts that could lead a reasonable person to believe him to be a neo-Nazi or at least a sympathizer of Nazi ideas, the implication that the Jews who did not fight back were somehow deserving of their fate, or more deserving than those who finally did fight back is, frankly, disgusting in the extreme especially since, as has been noted either here or elsewhere, many if not most Jews could not have known the full horror planned for them and had reasonable hope that they and their families would be "merely" deported from Nazi territory.

The Jews of Warsaw themselves fought only after it became indisputable that they were going to be killed by the Nazis no matter what they did and they had a slim hope of being liberated by the Red Army.

 

This was the only bullet point that actually differentiated between the parties - life is too short to give traffic to WorldNetDaily. I'd be amused to see the party breakdowns on the question of whether the Jews killed Jesus.

The idea of Pilate as a spineless jellyfish doesn't quite jibe with other historical records (I was going to say "the" historical record, but I thought I'd back off a tiny bit) - he was recalled to Rome for being capricious and cruel. I got this from Robert Graves, I'm sure given sufficient motivation I could dig up online confirmation.

If the Gospels are accurate regarding the actions of the Sanhedrin, then the Sanhedrin committed all sorts of unprecedented violations of their own rules. Not totally out of the question, but part of a pattern of the Gospels' apparent ignorance of Jewish legal procedure - the Gospel of John also had the highly improbable story of the adultress about to be stoned by a Jerusalem mob, we recall.

And the tale of Pilate releasing Barabbas ("the son of the father"? What kind of name is that?) (Well, it might be another name for Jesus, but that's a minority opinion) seems, well, unlikely. There's not much evidence that Roman governors-general were disposed to release prisoners on the whim of the populace, or to particularly respect other Passover customs. Although Anthony Quinn was great in the movie.

I shouldn't wade back into the whole Alex-Warsaw issue, but - let's say I said:

I wish the people at Pearl Harbor had at least fought back, instead of sitting around with their thumbs up their butts while the Japanese ventilated the Arizona. At least in Iwo Jima, they fought the Japanese, instead of gaping in the sky thinking it was Yamamato's Flying Circus or something. That's the difference between a hero and a victim.

Bringing the world together through metaphors, that's what I'm about.

Oh, and Mike? Your post makes it seem as if you think Earnie Stewart is anti-Semitic....

 

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Yeah, I found a quote I liked better than one from our resident Jew hating Neo-Nazi.

 

I agree. Now show me where I implied that.

If I have my history mixed up I apologize, but I stand by the sentiment.


Alex

 

Go find your post and read it for yourself.

 

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Yeah, but the sailors at Pearl Harbor did fight back.

I'll admit that what I said was ambiguously worded (this was partly on purpose, I was trying to get Lastort and his ilk to use a post supporting anti-Nazi resistance fighters as proof that I'm a Nazi, and they fell hook line and sinker), but I don't think there's anything wrong with wishing all the Jews had acted like the ones in Warsaw.

If anyone out there honestly thought that I was dishonoring the Holocaust victims who didn't fight back, I apologize; if you're Lastort and you're so eager to call me a Nazi that you'll use any half-assed excuse to do it, then go ************ yourself.


Alex

 

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Oh, that's rich.

That is sooooo funny.

C'mon Alex, we all know you're not that clever.

 

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Delusions. Of. Grandeur.

You know, if you didn't have such a history in the Politics Forum, I'd have given you the benefit of the doubt immediately. But, I mean, come on, the nickname "Axis Alex" has stuck on you for a reason and it's not just because those ol' liberal meanies are out to get you.

I wish the last BigSoccer crash hadn't wiped everything out because if you truly do not sympathize with the Nazis, I would seriously advise you to go back and read a lot of your past posts and ask yourself why it is that a lot of people here, and not just Lastort, think you do.

 

This poll is totally bogus. I blame the jewish media conspiracy.

In any case, the poll does not mention the race of the people who responded to the poll. Black people are overwhelmingly Democrat, and from other recent polls we know that they are currently 3 to 4 times more likely to be anti-semetic than whites. It is very likely that this poll is not measuring differences in political stance, but only a racial difference indirectly.

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1606

 

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Sorry, you, Lastort, GringoTex, and Segroves. Great backup you got there.


Alex

 

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You, Goebbels, Himmler, Hess, and Mengele. I think Joe has a better backup than you do.