Stop. Think. The US is "the world leader" in ONLY one thing...

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  1. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan AN INTERVIDUAL

    Apr 8, 2002
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Can you figure it out?

    At what, exactly, is the US the world's leader?

    There's only one thing.

    Its not education.
    Its not physical health.
    Its not mental health.
    Its not literacy.
    Its not infant mortality.
    Its not free media.
    Its not basketball or soccer, and the rest don't count because nearly no one else plays our stuff.
    Its not the exploration of space.
    Its not removing poverty.
    Its not providing justice.
    Hell, its not roads or mass transit.
    Its not even the most free economic markets.

    There's only one thing.
    Well, one and a half things, but the half doesn't count (more on that later)...

    I'll give you one guess: what is the Bush administration getting ready to do?

    After you think about it, isn't Ashcroft taking away, in FEAR, those few things we had left which, in a mythical sense, we clung to to say "This is the greatest nation on earth?"

    Help me out here.
    At what is the US #1?
     
  2. xbujinkan

    xbujinkan New Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    Elsewhere
    EEEASSYY...!!!

    Easy. The distribution of weapons platforms, from guns and bullets to F-16s, AND the effective use thereof.

    In other words, blowing MF's heads off, and supplying other nations with the wherewithal to do same.

    That's it. That's the ONE thing we got over ANYONE else.

    Goddam shame, but true.
     
  3. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    Hey, you guys sell us sooo short. We're the best in lots of things:

    - Obesity
    - SUV production/use
    - Plastic surgery
    - professional wrestling
    - boy bands
     
  4. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
    Club:
    Los Angeles Sol
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    The Funk.

    *Bootsy Collins/George Clinton riff*

    It's 1975, y'all!
     
  5. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Obesity for sure. SUVs: most likely. I believe that Brazil has way more plasitic surgery done per capita than the US. Pro wrestling: I got no response to that. Boy bands: It has got to be close between the US and Great Britain. And Uni, if you're going toward 'war declaration/participation,' then you might be partially correct. In modern times (lets call it 1700-present) the US is most likely the leader, but if you include all of written history you would have to have the US contend with England, the Romans, the Babylonians, the Macedonians, and all the other '-onians' in history.
     
  6. Nate505

    Nate505 Member

    Feb 10, 2002
    Colorado
    It's not basketball? Are you high? Just because we lost that tournament in Indiana doesn't mean we aren't still the greatest basketball nation on the planet...
     
  7. Nate505

    Nate505 Member

    Feb 10, 2002
    Colorado
    Military?
    Immigration? (on the receiving side anyway)
    # of McDonalds'?

    And who exactly is the leader in the exploration of space?
     
  8. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    Re: Re: Stop. Think. The US is "the world leader" in ONLY one thing...

    There's a whole lot of rhythm going down.
     
  9. NYfutbolfan

    NYfutbolfan Member

    Dec 17, 2000
    LI, NY


    I believe it was the great VP Al Gore who once said, "I invented the internet."

    So, I guess, if he's still a US citizen and wasn't lying or exagerating......................
     
  10. dearprudence

    dearprudence Member

    Nov 1, 2000
    Chi-town
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is such an obvious response, but I'm not going to propagate a flame war.
     
  11. topcow

    topcow New Member

    Nov 23, 2000
    New York
    masturbation
     
  12. NYfutbolfan

    NYfutbolfan Member

    Dec 17, 2000
    LI, NY
    Universal,

    Your question which began this thread seems to be a major put down of the USA.

    I may be putting words into your mouth but you seem to be saying that the US is a place for the uneducated, sickly, crazy, illiterate who can't play sports while they remain in poverty until they are thrown in jail.

    From your post, I would think that I was mistaken to believe that this country provided a good standard of living and quality of life for its citizens.

    All its citizens? No.
    Alot of its citizens? Yeah.

    Besides, #1 is just a #. If you're looking for #1, look at the auto rental car business. As OJ always said, "Hertz is #1."
     
  13. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan AN INTERVIDUAL

    Apr 8, 2002
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    No; only a put-down of the notion that we are "the world's greatest nation." We are not. We contribute to the world in unique ways, but there are alot of other nations who provide for their citizens MUCH better than we do. There are LOADS of citizens who fought, and fight, for America NOT for what it is, but for what it might be. MAny feel America is in the process of becoming; I'm one of those many, and want to shine light on how far we have to go. Lots of people, because they are their daddy made chunks of change in the 80s and 90s, both think that America is already nation-state in end-state, that there is no more "growing" to do, AND think that money is a real measure instead of a tool, that money means anything without personal power, honor in what you do, and dignity.



    Are you offering me low-hanging fruit, or what? I'll put it to you this way. My father was in charge of Internal School Security at the Board of Ed in Philly (when it was called that). He took me over to Stetson Junior High one day, so I could see the difference between the education he struggled to pay for, for me, and "inner-city" public education.

    At Stetson, there were, in the classrooms I saw, abot 36-40 kids, about 23-30 desks, and about 18-20 books for each child. Some books, as my dad showed me, said things like "Nelson Mandela died in jail." NTAs, or Non-teaching Assistant, ran classrooms instead of certified teachers...it was ************ing chaos.

    Needless to say, that was just one of many examples of how we FAIL every single day at education, it illuminates the effect of poverty, and speaks to much of what I submitted above. If you "love" America, how can you tolerate ANY of its citizens going through any of that, EVER? How can the goal NOT be much higher, much more...human? My problem is that it seems our goals are high for ourselves, and low for our ability to activate our citizenship.

    TEST: I challenge you to be honest, and name all your elected representatives, from your local ones, on up, from memory. I damn near guarantee that you can't, and if you can, you are among the less than one half of one percent who can, and most of them work in Washington and its part of the job description. What kind of nation is it when most people cannot name their representatives? I think that the only thing that saves us is the "idea" of America, 'cause when you actualyl look at the institutions, they don't work for the benefit of all, just for the benefit of a few. I can't name one institution that benefits people as we currently "envision" it, can you?

    I mean, we ARGUE in America about getting the homeless of the streets, making O'reilly-esque statements like "well, some of them WANT to freeze out there, so let 'em. Don't spend my tax money on those lazy people." Scotland, divisible from the UK on this matter of "sleeping rough," STARTS OFF with the premise that no one should EVER be living like that. That's where they start. When I was there in January the discussion was at another level fro the one in America entirely; it was about whether domicile support should come mainly in the form individual units, or community homes, and the benefits and negatives, from the "homeless" person's perspective as well; these "lazy" folks seemed far more empoweredt han our lot, but maybe its me.

    For me, the level of humanity at which we - Americans - begin discussions like these lies in direct juxtaposition to both our economic system of choice and our claims on world leadership. The thing that consistently disappoints me in this country is that we begin our discussions about the above issues at a much lower level of citizen compassion, as a rule, in the public discourse, than any other Western nation, not to mention actual citizen engagement.

    You talk about jail...come on. We jail more folks than any other "Western" nation, and we have more people in our justice system than any other. We claim our sentencing structure, inclusive of the death penalty, as deterrant in nature, and we still lead the world in murders by guns. We do not educate our young people, they are, many of them, illiterate, and the above post, in your sarcasm, is far too close to a manifest truth for us to be thumping our chest just yet...there is SO much work to do.

    Most of our citizens? The answer would HAVE to be "No."

    The questions are: What is the standard at which we should feel comfortable propagating the American "way of life" to others as something to emulate? When do we begin to say that sending Joe Millionaire abroad is less important then getting ahead of Cuba (CUBA!) in sending doctors to the third world? When do we begin to look at immigration rates to the US as a clear failure of our foreign policy? When do we begin to see fixing our 17th in Math, 36th in Science - worldwide - ranking as something that must be addressed IMMEDIATELY?

    When do we stop sitting in front of the TV patting ourselves on the back and be about the REAL business, the real responsibility of each generation, of nation-building?

    Forget nation-building in Iraq until we've built a working nation in the US.

    Don't let your wanna-be status (you know, that intangible thing the middle-class chases after, that desire not to make a nation that works for most or even all, but rather to "escape" to another class where one doesn't have to worry about it... the wanna-be upper class sensibility) prevent you from acting on your own behalf right now.

    To be #1 only at ways and means to kill, invade, and occupy is to be #1 at very little. Empires fall. the question is, given our human infrastructure, how far will we fall when it comes time to give up the ghost? Will it be a little bump, a la the UK, or will it be a plummet, a la Rome, Persia, etc....?
     
  14. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan AN INTERVIDUAL

    Apr 8, 2002
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Sorry, as a Dallas Cowboys ultra, I can now quote Parcells as saying:

    "You are what your record SAYS you are."

    Right now, we are losers at one of the only two international basketball tournaments that matter, and the most recent one at that. Period. We are NOT #1. Or #2. Or #3.
     
  15. OPArsenal

    OPArsenal New Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Jacksonville, FL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To quote Anti-Flag: "World's greatest nation? I find that fucking real hard to believe." How true it is.

    Vive le AFC!

    OPArsenal
     
  16. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    to quote reality "anti-flag is still the worst band ever" they also thrive off of the system they hate.

    hmmm hippocrites? sounds like it!
     
  17. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan AN INTERVIDUAL

    Apr 8, 2002
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    see here, here, AND here.

    Can you ARGUE that the US is #1 at circling the globe and putting up sats? Maybe. But the Russians' focus is exploring space; we spend 408 BILLION dollars a year on "defense." And cry when we have to spend $7 billion ONCE to put Hubble up to see the beginnings of the universe...

    We are #1 at one thing, and one thing only...
     
  18. OPArsenal

    OPArsenal New Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Jacksonville, FL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Examples?

    Vive le AFC!

    OPArsenal
     
  19. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Re: Re: Stop. Think. The US is "the world leader" in ONLY one thing...

    We're #1 at cinema.

    We're #1 at the number of immigrants we welcome as citizens each year.

    We're #1 at women's tennis.
     
  20. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan AN INTERVIDUAL

    Apr 8, 2002
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Re: Re: Re: Stop. Think. The US is "the world leader" in ONLY one thing...

    Okay, okay. I'll give you immigrants (although should we be proud of that anymore?), and I'll give you women's tennis.

    But unless you are talking about films as "units," as, like, widgets, I would submit that we are NOT #1 at producing films.

    If you want "#1 at producing shit that gets projected in movie-houses," I'll give you that, but not #1 at producing film. Europe crushes us at that, and even "profound" American films are often produced with European $$$$$....
     
  21. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Re: Re: Stop. Think. The US is "the world leader" in ONLY one thing...

    Gross National Product. 2X larger than the next country. Which is why anywhere you go, you can find english-speakers and a burger joint.

    It's why a pitiful 1% growth in our economy is larger than a 3% growth in France. California's economy is roughly the size of France's.
     
  22. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    they album sells anywhere from 12-14 dollars in malls across america where it is purchased usually by the parents of 13 year olds who are trying to be anti establishment by wearing 20 dollar tshirts and 40 dollar jeans.

    once you play tours with corporate sponsorship i'm pretty sure your message is pretty redundant.
     
  23. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop. Think. The US is "the world leader" in ONLY one thing...

    Actually, the "film as widgets" metaphor would then give the title to India. But I agree with Gringo--collectively, Europe may produce more excellent films than the U.S., but I don't think any one country comes close. Don't get blinded by the likes of "Tears of the Sun" and "Rush Hour 2" so that you miss the importance of the whole indy cinema movment and the many innovative and daring American film makers working today.
     
  24. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    Re: Re: Re: Stop. Think. The US is "the world leader" in ONLY one thing...

    No, the reason you can find English spoken everywhere is because 100 years ago, the British ran all over the world enslaving millions of people and taught them how to sing "God Save the King." And how to play cricket...
     
  25. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop. Think. The US is "the world leader" in ONLY one thing...

    I'm talking about the hundred year history of cinema as a whole: ours is the richest.

    Over the past 10 years, I'd say Iran and Hong Kong are making the best films. We're a close third.

    European films are now mostly worthless. Their best filmmakers are all over 70.

    Actually, India is currently #1 at producing units of films.
     

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