stoitchkov the criminal

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by gaucho, Mar 26, 2003.

  1. gaucho

    gaucho Member

    Dec 17, 2001
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    boy, what an assistant coach hristo is going to make this year!!!

    that truly sounds horrible. i hope the kid recovers. whether dc does, i guess we'll find out...
     
  3. Thriller

    Thriller New Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    Following one step b
    Stoitchkov has been always a tough man, rude mood, trouble-maker character, but not to injury that way. He has that mood and rebel behavior like other footballers as Paul Gascoigne, Diego Maradona, he was who helped Bulgary to win a good positon in USA 94.
    Definitely Bulgary was my second favorite team, after Argentina, in that WC.
    Is not weird this kind of unlucky accidents in soccer, no one has the blame. One Russian player broke the leg, in the same way, of Pumpido in Itlay 90 (Pumpido never played again) and no one shed a tear, is something common to happen.
     
  4. Etienne_72772

    Etienne_72772 Member+

    Oct 14, 1999
    Boy, do I feel bad for the kid. Obviously, Stoitchkov wouldn't have gone after him to break his leg--but it happened. I feel bad for Stoitchkov, in a way, as well--since he is obviously very distraught over what happened. However, having said that, Stoitchkov must be held accountable. This kid should sue him.
     
  5. ne plus ultra

    ne plus ultra Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Wow. What an idiot. He could certainly be sued for that.

    Why was he playing? Is he going to be a player-assistant coach for United? Or is he just too restless to be coach from the sidelines? If the latter, it seems a little ego-centric. Get used to it. Play in the intra-squad games where you don't have enough players, but not in the scrimmages against other teams.

    The whole story is just very strange.
     
  6. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel very bad for the kid, but also for Stoichkov, I have done some stupid things in my life and hurting others doing so is the worst feeling one can have. I know he can't sleep at night, has a hard time facing people, his teammates, coaching staff . It was a freak accident, stupidity on his part for loosing his temper for such a meaningless training game with a bunch of kids. I am glad it wasn't me in his place, would feel horibble as he is. The kids wounds will heal in 6 months but I know Stoichkov will never forget his mistake and will take him a long time to heal and forgive himself.

    "Stoitchkov hovered over the fallen player as he was treated for about 30 minutes before being taken to the hospital. Stoitchkov then sat on the United bench, his face buried in his hands. "I'm deeply sorry for what happened," Stoitchkov told the United web site. "It's an incident that occurs in soccer. It was a 50-50 ball. I have never done anything like this to an opponent before in my career. My heart goes out to the kid, his family and his teammates. I hope he recovers fully and is able to play soccer again." United made no immediate announcement of disciplinary action, turning the matter over to the Major League Soccer office.
    At least one AU official suggested a law suit might follow. ....
    .....of course this is America !..what would we do without one.. I just hope everything works out for everyone and they won't make a bigger issue out of this then it really is. I hope Stoichkov will visit the kid and offer to pay the bills.
     
  7. cldiscodan

    cldiscodan New Member

    Feb 12, 2002
    MLS and DCU should cut Hristo loose. There is no place for play like this in MLS.

    The kid should sue and see what he can get. Hristo deserves to pay for his temper tantrum, vengence, and lack of thought.
     
  8. Thriller

    Thriller New Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    Following one step b
    Well, not always players injure by accident. Some players do it with intention.
    Wasn´t Roy Keane the one who confessed injure another player with intention?
     
  9. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This gives a whole new meaning to the Show Biz expression, "Break a leg." Can't wait for Hristo to show up in LA - the possibilities for heckling him with this incident are legion.
     
  10. Thriller

    Thriller New Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    Following one step b
    Hristo Stoichkov has a tough game, something very common in football, he´s better for a spanish club as Barcelona than for a USA club. I don´t think he did it for revenge or for anger, that´s an unfair jugment. Soccer is a tough game, accidents are common and almost always without blame.
    So many footballers has a rude style of playing, I guess they better not play in USA.
    But poor kid, so young, let´s hope he can be completely healed.
     
  11. SoccerSD

    SoccerSD Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    HOLY COW...lawsuit!

    That is HORRIBLE!
     
  12. StEtienne

    StEtienne Member

    Mar 10, 2000
    USA
    Did you read the article?

    "Stoitchkov was incensed and berated the linesman who he accused of missing an obvious offside call. Off the restart, Llerena was first to a loose ball and as he tried to settle it, Stoitchkov, who goes 5-9 and 181 pounds, took a run at the youngster, flying in with a two-legged tackle, breaking his leg with a loud snap, audible for some distance."

    This was 10 minutes into a friendly scrimmage with a local college team. Absolutely uncalled for.
     
  13. SankaCofie

    SankaCofie Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    Skorgolia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    wow hristo... used to be one of my favorite players. this is a disgrace.

    that being said... what is a twerpy little 150 lb. kid doing playing football?













    actually i was talking about damarcus beasely.
     
  14. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    ...... you are right,

    and Stoichkov and the DCU organization is sorry, apologized and will do whatever they can I am sure, and more to ease the pain all around. MLS will take action against Stoichkov with suspension and possibly more by MLS and the DCU organization. It was an accident, Stoichkov went for the ball and missed. Calm down now.
     
  15. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Llerena, who is 5-foot-7 and weighs about 150 pounds, underwent approximately one hour of surgery by Dr. David Higgins for a compound fracture of his tibia and fibula. A four-inch metal plate was inserted to stabilize the tibia until it is removed around Christmas. The best-case scenario would have Llerena able to play again in six-to-eight weeks."

    WEEKS? Surely, Wagman meant to write months.
     
  16. TheSlipperyOne

    TheSlipperyOne Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Denver
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Going in with a two footed cleats up tackle is not an accident. That kind of a tackle is meant to take someone out, period.
     
  17. M.T. Nets

    M.T. Nets New Member

    Jan 31, 2002
    I have spoken with people that were there and yes it was horrible and Hristo was in tears after seeing the results but " The kid should sue and see what he can get" that is the problem both players entered the game knowing that injury is a possibility--look at Donovan and Marvin Lee--right or wrong there was a horrible injury that probably should not have happened but file a law suit just to "SEE WHAT YOU CAN GET"--come on
     
  18. Elvis

    Elvis New Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Graceland
    Doesn't sound like an accident to me. It's ridiculous to read that a player of his quality and experience succumbs to such recreational-league antics. It certainly doesn;t sound that this is "an accident without blame".
     
  19. TheSlipperyOne

    TheSlipperyOne Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Denver
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'm not saying the kid should sue or anything, but don't use Marvin Lee's injury as a case in point. That was a run of the game play with two players challenging for the ball and one coming up injured.

    Hristo's tackle was one with intent to injure going into a player who was standing straight up.
     
  20. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    actualy his coach said he hopes to have him back on the team in early fall,
     
  21. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He has too much of a temper and this should cost him. Its assault. Plain and simple.

    In the EPL when Cantona broke that guys leg with a flying kick off the ball he was given a ban but nothing deserving of the crime. It just seems that intentionally injuring players isn't taken seriously at all by any league I have ever heard of.

    Hristo is good and bad and this is just clearly bad. I think its time for him to retire as a player. And beyond that it just reminds me that he's the same player who beat the $%@# out of a Barcelona teammate at halftime because the guy took a shot from a bad angle instead of passing to Stoitchkov...took 4 guys to pull him off according to what I read of the incident.
     
  22. keegofan

    keegofan New Member

    Oct 30, 2001
    Mass.
    While no one wants to see another injured, this comment all depends upon your point of view -- If any Rev player ever had this much passion then they wouldn't consistently be bottom dwellers.

    There is a double standard in sports that when an athlete performs poorly or backs off or doesn't "go all out" that they aren't giving enough BUT if they "go all out" and something like a bad injury or whatever happens then the sentiment is "why do that, it's just a game."

    KF
     
  23. Elvis

    Elvis New Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Graceland
    In a scrimmage against a college team? Come on, man, give me a break. Don't confuse passion with poor sportsmanship. Your comment about double standards might hold water in the professional ranks, but frankly, I can't see Stoitchkov's actions as being defendable. He is a bum, and deserves a ban in my opinion.
     
  24. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Passion? To get pissed at an offside call and go out and try to injure a player because of it?

    Its true that it shows that Stoitchkov is highly competitive even in scrimmages and yes you want guys to play who take the game personal like that, but at his age he should have the maturity and composure to do better.
     
  25. keegofan

    keegofan New Member

    Oct 30, 2001
    Mass.
    He didn't try to injure the kid, he wouldn't have been 'hovering over him for 30 minutes' or 'in tears on the sideline' if he did. He got caught up in the moment of competition because of ... yes ... passion.

    Would he 'act' compassionate if trying to injure, maybe if TV was around, but probably not otherwise. Athletes who intend to injury generally go in the other direction after the 'crime', either to a locker room or towards the source of their grief, and continue to vent their anger.

    KF
     

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