I was reading an article in yahoo back in the morning, and one of the most famous baseball players, Alex Rodriguez, confirmed that he consumed "banned substances" since 2001-03. He justified its usage because of pressure, and because back in the days it was normal. Although I really know least of baseball, and I dont like it, i really feel so upset that these things occur over and over. I really can imagine how you guys, the ones who follow baseball game by game must feel. I think even though those guys feel guilty now, they deserve a punishment. As I continued reading this article the author said that Rodriguez is the number 12th in the home run list of all time. Many more players are ahead of him, and one of them is Barry Bonds who is the leader right? so here's my proposal: money, or jail could easily be avoided by these megastars, who are wealthy and will always keep that condition. But I guess the best punishment would be: DEDUCTING THE NUMBER OF HOMERUNS from those players lets say ALEX RODRIGUEZ had 40-50 home runs during the time he consumed drugs... so if he were to have now 500 wit the deduction that could drop up to 450, 440? and BARRY BONDS, lets say he has 600, and lets pretend he used steroids for 4-5 years where he actually got 100 home runs, so that would bring his numbers down the intention in this case is to EMBARRASS this players, there is no best punishment or idea than this. if you want to hurt someone you must do it where they can feel the biggest pain. could you imagine the frustration or depression they will get into? I;m not mean, but I guess this would be a good lesson for them, and also for younger generations. I think some of this measurements have been taken on other sports. In football one mexican player Salvador Carmona was suspended for life, after he was caught twice using drugs. In Track and Field , many runners had to return their gold medals BIG TIME THERE. In tennis, I think Chela? an argentine player was suspended for life after he was caught using cocaine again. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THIS?
vacate records? i disagree. this happened with the fab five, and it wasn't a popular move. a-rod's test results weren't supposed to be leaked anyway. The players who took the test back in 2003 were guaranteed no punitive action of any kind if they were to test positive.
I have absolutely no problem with steroids in baseball. In fact I think, like WWE, it is entertainment and I pay to see freaks of nature do superhuman things. I don't care about the integrity of records, the innocence of the game or the health of these athletes. I want to be entertained. Barry Bonds is the home run king and A-Rod will pass him in time. Both belong in the hall of fame along with Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmero and Roger Clemens. They excelled in the game that played when they played it doing what they needed to to entertain and compete (in that order) to the best of their ability. While we are at it Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson deserve to be in the hall yesterday.
i dont like when people take advantages over the others who work so hard to accomplish things. people like rodriguez can't hold records when they cheated! i found out that another 103 players commited the same thing, and they also lied. in the US that is a biggie, and if were those players i wont go out and play anymore, i will just try to find another way for living, it would be so anyonning to see people who dont deserve titles and prizes to see them play! if i would be a member from the FEDERATION, CONDEFERATIOn or whatever from baseball i would vacate the records, and this is so stupid! why do you need "banned" substances? if you need them, then dont be a professional
Would you have a problem with these guys forming another league? Because if they did, I assure you that it would be bigger than Major League Baseball. Bank it. As for taking advantage, it seems like a good percentage and maybe a majority of players took performance enhancing substances. That means juice haeds playing juice heads. A-Rod had to bat against Roger Clemens. Who has the advantage there?
For that to be true 100% of players had to juice. And not everyone likes freakshows. WWE isnt that popular. I think the majority of fans care about integrity and players not breaking rules/laws.
Then tell me where the fans were before McGwire and Sosa. If they were such fans of integrity why were parks over half empty until the juice show? And don't give me the strike in 94 because the NHL lost a full season and now their attendance is better than ever. Actually, I'll give you 95 as a gift. But what about 96 and 97? Plus if fans cares about integrity so much AL parks would be empty. But they aren't because people want to see the freaks And WWE is globally enormous. To say otherwise is just silly.
We're talking about here arent we? The WWE is a niche entertainment. Of everyone I know, maybe 4 people follow it at all closely(including myself).
Matt, you are forgetting Lyle Alzado and what he did for the health aspect of not taking steriods. Then there is the influence that these athletes have on Kids. Yeah, I know, free market and all that, but are you in the locker room with your son everyday to make sure he does not do steroids? We have a responsability to at least attempt to protect those that are more easily influenced (kids). I like the idea proposed, but that cannot be the end. And I agree, Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose (as a player only) to the Hall.
Yeah he's really talking out of his arse in this thread, isn't he? The XFL and USFL were huge successes compared to what a "breakaway" baseball league would be in the USA. Of all the popular sports in America, baseball is the one where the records and history are cherished the most. It's a big part of why people watch and follow MLB. A new league won't have any of that. It wouldn't even survive a month. uhhh... you have no evidence that steroids would help Clemens by the same amount as it helps A-Rod. Completely different positions. And I don't think steroids would help players like Tom Glavine or Tim Wakefield at all. Anyway, more importantly these are role-models for kids and young athletes shouldn't be put at a disadvantage just because they don't want to risk their health.
How would it not help Tom Glavine or Tim Wakefield? They're near the end of their careers. Also, XFL was a huge failure.
You are in Queens. It's ass. You can thank congress and their anti trust exemption for that one. Otherwise it would just be another sports league. And MLB's records are bullshit anyway. Barry Bonds is not the home run king. Sadaharu Oh is. And you don't have evidence to the contrary I don't care. Besides, it's not like WWE entertainers can't be role models either. On second thought, screw role models. Teach your kids to believe in themselves. Or how to throw the knuckleball
They are finesse pitchers. I don't think an extra 2mph on his ""fast"ball would help Wakefield much. This coming from someone who lives in New Jersey. Sadaharu who?? Never heard of him. And you helped prove my point. That's why a break-away league wouldn't work. Nobody cares if someone bats .400 or hits 70 home runs in the XLB.
I agree, put 'em in. But don't count on it happening. Hell, it took 15 years for Jim Rice to finally get elected simply because he wouldn't kiss reporter's asses.
It sure would help them recover from their injuries faster. PEDs are not just about how fast it makes you.
well now for classes 2009 and beyond, they'll have the steroid scandal to take into consideration, it's going to be a hard criteria to say who is in and who is not just based on numbers alone. 2010: Roberto Alomar, Kevin Appier, Andy Ashby, Ellis Burks, Dave Burba, Andres Galarraga, Pat Hentgen, Mike Jackson, Eric Karros, Ray Lankford, Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Mark McLemore, Shane Reynolds, David Segui, Robin Ventura, Fernando Vina, Todd Zeile 2011: Wilson Alvarez, Carlos Baerga, Jeff Bagwell, Bret Boone, Kevin Brown, Cal Eldred, John Franco, Juan Gonzalez, Marquis Grissom, Bobby Higginson, Charles Johnson, Al Leiter, Tino Martinez, Raul Mondesi, Jose Offerman, John Olerud, Rafael Palmeiro, Paul Quantrill, Steve Reed, Kirk Rueter, Rey Sanchez, Benito Santiago, B.J. Surhoff, Ugueth Urbina, Ismael Valdez, Larry Walker, Dan Wilson 2012: Edgardo Alfonzo, Pedro Astacio, David Bell, Jeromy Burnitz, Vinny Castilla, Scott Erickson, Carl Everett, Jeff Fassero, Alex S. Gonzalez, Danny Graves, Rick Helling, Dustin Hermanson, Jose Hernandez, Brian Jordan, Matt Lawton, Javy Lopez, Bill Mueller, Terry Mulholland, Jeff Nelson, Phil Nevin, Brad Radke, Joe Randa, Tim Salmon, Ruben Sierra, Jose Vizcaino, Bernie Williams, Eric Young
You can take 99% of these names and place them in the circular file. They ain't making it whether they took 'roids or not.