State Can Make Inmate Sane Enough to Execute

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  1. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan AN INTERVIDUAL

    Apr 8, 2002
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    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Execution-Insanity.html

    LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- In the latest bizarre turn in a nearly 25-year-old death row case, a federal appeals court ruled that a mentally ill inmate can be put to death even though he would be too insane to qualify for execution without his medication.

    A sharply divided 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals lifted a stay of execution Monday for Charles Singleton, saying his medically induced sanity makes him eligible for the death penalty.


    Our nation has such bizzare relationships with life and death, does it not? We are goddamn schizophrenic when it comes to this...
     
  2. eneste

    eneste Member

    Mar 24, 2000
    Pittsburgh, PA
    So Mr. Singleton is in effect committing suicide by taking his medication? Isn't that illegal? This is a ridiculous ruling and I'm guessing this will make it to the Supreme Court and will be overturned.
     
  3. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan AN INTERVIDUAL

    Apr 8, 2002
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    Re: Re: State Can Make Inmate Sane Enough to Execute

    It will be interesting to see what this Court does, given the recent "landmark" ruling over which they were divided...if it was 6-3 over killing the retarded, I don't think this question is a slam dunk...
     
  4. -cman-

    -cman- New Member

    Apr 2, 2001
    Clinton, Iowa
    I don't have a problem with the idea of capital punishment. I'm sure most people would agree that there are crimes which richly deserve immediate expulsion from the gene pool. It's the actuality of capital punishment and the way the criminal justice system works in this country that is all fouled up.

    As for this, I think it's barbaric. "We're going to cure you so we can kill you." Lovely.

    But that's okay, because we are a shining beacon for justice and human rights the world over.
     
  5. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Saw this in the paper yesterday. My favorite was the quote from the judge saying that the "only" negative effect on the prisoner was that they would put him to death.

    That's got to be a relief.
     
  6. Richth76

    Richth76 New Member

    Jul 22, 1999
    Washington, D.C.
    Pretty soon this country will execute the insane anyway. This case will probably just be one of the precedents that allows it in the near future. Ah, the slippery slope.
     
  7. -cman-

    -cman- New Member

    Apr 2, 2001
    Clinton, Iowa
    Can we haul in Richard Perle on a trumped-up charge? He fits the bill.
     
  8. Cannon

    Cannon Member

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    Sep 2, 2001
    Washington, DC metro
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    I agree completely. Anyone who could watch the debacle in IL over the last few years and still support the death penalty as it is currently being applied is a sick person. There is little chance that we haven't executed a fair number of innocent people. Why can't we admit that the death penalty is unfairly applied in a system practically designed to make errors and halt the practice?

    There is a good article in a recent Atlantic Monthly that gives some interesting stats on the death penalty. It is not up online yet but it should be up shortly. It is called "The Nation in Numbers: "Mortal Justice: The demography of the death penalty" Check it out.
     
  9. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    The question should be asked, how did he get put on death row in the first place?

    I am not talking about any defense stadegy, but was he crazy when he commited the acts that landed him in jail? If so, the death penalty should not have been an option and some treatment a viable option.

    Heck, even John Hinkley has applied for weekend visits to his parents house. He was denied, but his family comes to visit him.

    I say, take him off his meds, put him in the general prison population and see how long he lasts.
     
  10. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    A little sitdown in old sparky and his mental illness will be cured for good

    This compassion for deadly ciminals makes me puke. I'll bet you softies are all waiting in line to be prison guards and help these unfortunate souls out. If they kill you, there's no punishment because they're already on life without parole. Oh wait, they can take away their cable TV.
     
  11. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
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    Uh, the victim in this case, Mary Lou York, who was brutally stabbed to death by this lunatic, identified him as the suspect before she bled to death. And, yeah, he didn't become "insane" legally until 8 years after her death. So, before we get all teary-eyed over his fate, perhaps he should've thought about it back when he had a clear head and viciously sucked the life out of a truly innocent person.
     
  12. Cannon

    Cannon Member

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    Sep 2, 2001
    Washington, DC metro
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    Ian,

    I am not talking about just this case but the entire death penalty system. How many other "iron-clad" cases fell apart when people started using DNA tests? Did you follow all of the cases in which the DA and police conspired to get convictions with false evidence and illegal confessions? You know about all of the men freed after extensive research (by students in many cases) revealed they were wronged. How many innocent people have to spend decades in jail or even lose their lives before the pro-death penalty people can admit that revenge shouldn't be taken against a person who could be innocent? If you read that article I mentioned, you'd see that the death penalty is given in a very unjust and biased way. Even if someone is guilty of the crime of murder, shouldn't their sentence be based on the nature of the crime and mitigating factors, not the race of the vicitim or what city the murder occurred in?

    I'm saying this as a person with sympathy for the pro-death penalty crowd. I think that some crimes are so serious and without mitigation that the criminal has effectively severed their claims to the right to life guaranteed by our social contract. However, this only applies if the death penalty can be applied fairly and accurately. A mountain of evidence shows that it doesn't even meet those minimal standards. Unless/Until we can devise a better system, I'm supporting changing all death penalty convictions into life sentences. I'd rather let these people live and have a chance of discovering the truth about their convictions than killing them only to find out later that many (or even just some) were innocent.

    From the details on this case I've seen it is likely that he killed her. That doesn't change the overall fact that the death penalty system is pathetic. The system is so poorly designed and implemented there is no way you should have enough confidence in the outcome to kill a person. What harm is it to throw him in jail for the rest of his life? Why was he given the death penalty? There are hundreds of these situations. I could point you to many of them but you should already know they exist so what is the point. If you are happy supporting the obviously unjust use of the death penalty, then I guess there is really not much else to talk about.

    BTW, you should check out the research on eyewitness testimony. I don't think you'd be so quick to use it to support your support for the death penalty.
     

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