Starting XI

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by ninety_minutes, Apr 11, 2004.

  1. ninety_minutes

    ninety_minutes New Member

    Apr 7, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN
    If you're the manager, who is your starting US National team. And what formation? Imagine we're playing Mexico for a WC berth, if that influences your lineup, and that all questionables are healthy.

    Here's my list:

    Formation: 3-5-2

    GK - Friedel
    LB - Sanneh
    CB - Bocanegra
    RB - Pope
    LW - Beasley
    LCDM - Mastroeni
    CAM - O'Brien
    RCDM - Reyna
    RW - Convey
    ST - Mathis
    ST - Donovan

    I think Mathis and Donovan both have the ability to drop back to set some things up also.

    Post yours or rip mine apart.
     
  2. galaxyfan03

    galaxyfan03 Member

    Jul 4, 2001
    Glendale, California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a bit more biased toward the 4-4-2, though the 3-5-2 does have its' merits:

    ------------------------------------Friedel--------------------------------
    Sanneh---------------Pope---------------------Bocanegra------------Gibbs
    ------------------------------------Reyna---------------------------------
    --Convey----------------------------------------------------------Beasley
    ------------------------------------O'Brien--------------------------------
    -------------Donovan--------------------------------McBride--------------

    I thought about putting Mastroeni in at RB instead of Sanneh & left Mathis off the list because of JOB but I still think my line-up could be VERY effective!!
     
  3. ninety_minutes

    ninety_minutes New Member

    Apr 7, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN
    I like the 4-4-2 myself - it's what I've played in for my entire life, the only reason I think the US would be more effective in a 3-5-2 lineup is that we need to be able to possess the ball more in the midfield. Since we're less poised and tactically sound under pressure than our southern neighbors, we need to push that extra man into the midfield. We also have very athletic and gifted marking backs that can win balls in the air, crucial for having 3 in the back.

    Just my $.02
     
  4. E Diddy

    E Diddy Member

    Jul 1, 2003
    Hutto, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Yes, yes, yes. 3-5-2 (3-5-1-1)

    Howard
    Gibbs Pope Boca
    Mastro Reyna
    LD JOB DMB
    Mathis
    Casey
     
  5. ninety_minutes

    ninety_minutes New Member

    Apr 7, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN
    So are you sold on Casey? I didn't get a chance to watch the MNT vs. Poland but I heard he had a solid (albeit unspectacular) match.

    I like that you moved LD outside, but do you think his work-rate could hold up at probably the most exhausting position? I like his pace on the ball and his vision is arguably his best quality...
     
  6. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Friedel
    Sanneh-Pope-Berhalter
    Reyna-Mastroeni-O'Brien-Lewis
    Donovan
    Wolff-McBride


    In the second half I might bring on Cobi to slow down the game and maybe even Jax-Max and Llamosa to take time off the clock.

    Worked fine last time :D
     
  7. ninety_minutes

    ninety_minutes New Member

    Apr 7, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN
    Do we want to slow the game down that much :eek: We may have to add some stoppage time for a broken hip!
     
  8. soccerhooligan33

    soccerhooligan33 New Member

    Oct 31, 2002
    Clifton, VA
    Howad; Gibbs, Pope, Bocanegra; O'Brien, Reyna, Beasley, Lewis, Mathis; Donovan, Wolff,
     
  9. TAKK

    TAKK New Member

    Jan 28, 2004
    Westchester, NY
    That smile is simply that NO ONE HAS PENCILED IN ARMAS!
    Can someone please contact Bruce? Anyone? Please!
     
  10. sch2383

    sch2383 New Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    -------Donovan---McBride----------
    -------------Mathis--------------
    DMB-----------------------JOB
    ------Armas-----Reyna----
    ------Boca----Pope----Gibbs/Berhalter
    -------------Friedel-----------------

    On the bench
    Keller
    Convey
    Masteroni
    Wolff
    Berhalter/Gibbs
    Dolo
    Sanneh

    JOB would be playing that Earnie Stewart role, allowed to float all over the field. Gibbs and Berhalter are a toss up, can't really go wrong with either, IMO.
     
  11. gyr0

    gyr0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2002
    NYC
    4-4-2:
    Friedel

    LB-Vanney
    RB-Gibbs
    CB-Pope
    CB-Boca

    RM-Donovan
    LM-DMB/O'Brien
    DM- Reyna/Mulrooney
    AM- Mathis/Convey

    F-Mcbride/Buddle
    F-Casey/Ching
     
  12. Delta Blues

    Delta Blues New Member

    Jun 25, 1999
    King Willieville
    Keller
    Sanneh-Pope-Bocanegra-Convey
    Reyna
    Donovan-O'Brien
    Mathis
    McBride-Wolff
     
  13. FawcettFan14

    FawcettFan14 Member+

    Mar 19, 2004
    Colorado
    I personally like the 4-4-2:

    Keller

    Cherundolo Pope Boca Gibbs

    Mastroeni
    Reyna Beasley
    Mathis

    Donovan McBride

    Bench: (18-man roster)
    Convey---first middie sub off the bench
    Wolff---first offensive sub
    Mulrooney---has the nod over Armas at this point for backup DM
    O'Brien---Don't know why he isn't in my starting XI, maybe because I
    havent seen him play in a while...if healthy, he definately starts.
    Sanneh (if healthy)
    Berhalter (very sssslllooowww, but makes up it with defensive instincts)
    Friedel---toss up between him and Keller

    Or, a 3-5-2 against tall, European type teams:

    Keller

    Gibbs Pope Boca

    Mastro Convey
    Reyna JOB Beasley

    Donovan McBride

    Either line-up I think would be very effective. It seems hard to get our best 11 all together at the same time. Hopefully by the time qualifying rolls around, they'll be injury free and ready to go.
     
  14. forza inter

    forza inter Member

    Apr 2, 2004
    Middletown, ct
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ill post a 4-4-2 and a 3-5-2


    friedel

    sanneh gibbs pope boca

    convey reyna JOB DMB

    donovan mcbride






    friedel

    sanneh pope boca

    convey JOB reyna mathis DMB

    donovan mcbride


    bench for both:

    howard
    berhalter
    cherundalo
    conor casey
    lewis
    wolfe
    edson buddle/kyle martino



    forza inter
     
  15. SABuffalo786

    SABuffalo786 New Member

    May 18, 2002
    Buffalo, New York
    Friedel-GK
    Gibbs-RCB
    Pope-CB
    Bocanegra-LB
    RWM-Cherundolo
    RCM-Reyna
    CM-O'Brien
    LCM-Donovan
    LWM-Beasley
    Withdrawn foward-Mathis
    CF-McBride
     
  16. TAKK

    TAKK New Member

    Jan 28, 2004
    Westchester, NY
    ***-------Donovan---McBride----------
    -------------Mathis--------------
    DMB-----------------------JOB
    ------Armas-----Reyna----
    ------Boca----Pope----Gibbs/Berhalter
    -------------Friedel-----------------***

    Armas??????????????????????
    Your high...right??????????????
    That's it, you must be smoking something right now.
     
  17. ninety_minutes

    ninety_minutes New Member

    Apr 7, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN
    Well, he's a great scrapper and has a tremendous workrate...still, his touch on the ball is suspect.
     
  18. TAKK

    TAKK New Member

    Jan 28, 2004
    Westchester, NY
    ***Well, he's a great scrapper and has a tremendous workrate...still, his touch on the ball is suspect.****

    He will be fine against the likes of Grenada where we should have a big advantage, even in the 2nd round against the likes of Panama and El Sal, & Jamaica/Haiti his faults will be overcome. Against technically skilled teams we cannot afford to have dead spots like Armas out there anymore. If we want to progress and become more dangerous he CAN'T be in there. Unfortunately, he seems to be one of Bruce's guys where he puts the blinders on and forgets everything else. If Pablo or Claudio/JOB (big if's there) are healthy and Armas starts it would be A Terrible Coaching Error. Just unforgivable. Many options on the field where Bruce can tinker and I have never ever criticized him on those, other than the other obvious mistake in Agoose. Again, good for CONCACAF & MLS, but obviously over matched against top teams. Armas is UNFORGIVABLE. He sets the whole dynamic of the squad back by his complete inablity to pass. He is in a key role that can not only be defense. His hospital balls put our skilled guys at risk as they recieve them (if they travel more than 5 yards) in positions that they can't do anything other than be clipped or tackled from behind. His workrate is great, but it is misleading. His give aways and poor passing always send the ball right back at the D and put them under immense pressure. Dead spot. Pure D, all of the time.You might as well put Vanney on the left and you might as well play Pope, Bocs and Gibbs up the middle. Gibbs is a much better defensive mid than Armas, and he has decent ball skills. Armas just can not be on the field starting for us anymore. It is a step backwards into the dark ages. It's so obvious and painfull to watch. Just like Goose at the cup. Just not good enough at this level with the players we have available (Claudio, Pablo, JOB, Gibbs, Sanneh, hell let Clark have a go against Grenada if we blow them out in game one - he is the future). Except for Clark (untested and young of course) the above mentioned offer so much more than Armas can EVER offer. One dimensional at best. It's so painfully obvious. C'mon Bruce, don't brain lock. Maybe injuries and luck won't bail you out this time.
     
  19. ninety_minutes

    ninety_minutes New Member

    Apr 7, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN
    Great post TAKK - I whole-heartedly agree that Armas shouldn't have a spot with the USMNT, his touch, passing and pace are all liabilities at the international level. I was a bit surprised to hear that he was getting some attention from a few clubs in the EPL over the winter transfer. Go figure.

    I hope your right about Clark getting the nod against Grenada - I'd like to see how he fares on the international stage.
     
  20. gyr0

    gyr0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2002
    NYC
    I was actually in agreeance with you until I came to this sentence. Gibbs has the touch of a caveman, and it showed in the recent holland friendly. With 3 to 4 candidates to replace armas, how could you even entertain the idea of inserting gibbs in to midfield? At this point he is an athletically adept, competent DEFENDER that needs to work on his skillset, let him stick to what he does best.
     
  21. E Diddy

    E Diddy Member

    Jul 1, 2003
    Hutto, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I am sold on Casey for now....we've got plenty of qualies for him to prove himself.

    I think you've hit upon the key for US/Landon relations- his work rate. I believe that his speed on the right wing is the key to open up the middle. DMB can slash, and so can LD. Turn them loose and make the D spread out and panic when we have some holders/distributors in the middle.

    Think about it for a minute....if you're defending us, where do you put your best guys? If you put them outside, you've got Reyna, JOB, and Clint in the middle. If you focus in the middle, you've got two absolute terrors sprinting in on the wings.

    IMHO, if Bruce were to tell Landon that this is simply where he would help the team most, he'd do it, and he'd play D as well. He's played on the wing effectively and defends when he knows its vital.

    I'd be so excited if we did this in Dallas, cause I'm on the 2nd row in at midfield at the Cotton Bowl!
     
  22. E Diddy

    E Diddy Member

    Jul 1, 2003
    Hutto, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Amen, and Amen- preach preacha!

    Love the guy, just don't think he's got the tools to play with this team anymore.
     
  23. ninety_minutes

    ninety_minutes New Member

    Apr 7, 2004
    Minneapolis, MN
    That would be pretty sweet.

    I'm pretty jealous - REPRESENT FOR US!
     
  24. Wallydrag

    Wallydrag BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 24, 2002
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ---------------------Friedel-----------------------

    ----------Pope-------Gibbs----------------Boca---

    --Cherundolo-----------Reyna----------------------
    -----------Donovan------------JOB---------DMB----

    ---------------------Mathis------------------------

    ------------Wolff---------------McBride-------------


    I think you play Gibbs at CB and put Pope (our best defender) out on the right (our most vunerable area). Gibbs is good in the CB rool. Pope can cheat into center though because we've got Cherundolo playing on that defensive RW roll. He's our second best option on the right. He can also run with the ball down that right side.

    Push Reyna more in towards a DM because I really liked what I saw from him in that posistion in the US/Pol game and he can bring it out of the back.
    Bring Donovan back to a RM/RW role but you also have JOB in the CM so Donovan and roam a little and make runs if he needs to. Put DMB out on the left flank. I know it looks like Boca is exposed a little but DMB is great and coming back to help out. Donovan is not known for that but Cherundolo is there.

    Mathis goes in the AM. I think he has the creativity and ability at that position.

    Wolff and McBride up top.

    Subs would be Convey for JOB, Casey for McBride, Sanneh for Cherundolo
     
  25. TAKK

    TAKK New Member

    Jan 28, 2004
    Westchester, NY
    Gibbs would be far from my choice at D mid. I was just trying to point out that Armas is what you described in Gibbs. Competent defender with limited ball skills. Why not Gibbs over Armas? At least he won't look like a child out on the field like Armas did against Holland. Also, now that I think about it, Gibbs did play mid for St. Pauli when they were in the 2nd and 3rd divisions. Still is a much better choice than Armas. Hands down.
     

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