Starting lineup against Brazil...

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by American40, Jun 19, 2003.

  1. American40

    American40 Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    OK, I'll start it.

    .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Howard
    Dolo .. .. Bocanegra .. .. Gibbs .. .. Vanney
    .. .. .. .. .. .. Mastrioni
    .. .. .. Klein .. .. Donovan .. .. Beasly
    .. .. .. .. ..Twellman .. .. Mathis
     
  2. todda74

    todda74 New Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Annapolis
    after the Turkey game Vanney should not start and you can't start both Donovan and Beasley. At least one of them will need to be rested for Cameroon. Klein Twellman and Mathis are good options.
     
  3. American40

    American40 Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    Martino? Who in place of Vanney?
     
  4. flanoverseas

    flanoverseas New Member

    Mar 2, 2002
    Xandria
    Vanney did not have a bad game, indvidually. He was probably the bestout of the back four.


    We have to have Donovan on the field for his skill, so sit Beas
     
  5. Morpheus1271

    Morpheus1271 Member

    May 30, 2003
    Long Island, NY
    Necessary changes...

    3-5-2

    ***********Howard************

    **Vanney***Bocanegra****Gibbs**

    Klein*Mastroeni*Armas*Martino*Lewis

    *****Donovan****Mathis********
     
  6. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX
    3-5-2 v. Brazil

    Califf/Berhalter (1/2 each) and Boca and Gibbs

    MF: Pablo, Armas, Lewis/DMB (60 for DMB, 30 for Lewis), Klien and Stewart (Martino on at 80)

    F: Mathis and Twellman
     
  7. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    4-4-2

    ***********Howard************

    Dolo*Berhalter*Bocanegra*Gibbs

    Klein*Mastroeni*Donovan*Lewis

    *****Twellman****Mathis
     
  8. MetroStars

    MetroStars New Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    I think you have to use four defenders against Brazil. Mastroeni should stay back and be the 5th.
    Bocanegra was a left back before he was moved to central defense. Gibbs the opposite. Bocanegra should be at left central and Gibbs at right central.
    They can try Hejduk at righ mid and Beasley at left with Convey in the middle and Donovan and Mathis up front.
     
  9. tytomkiel

    tytomkiel Red Card

    Feb 12, 2002
    San Diego, Ca
    gk:Howard
    rb:Hejduk
    cb:Gibbs
    cb:Bocanegra
    lb:Lewis
    rm:Klein
    dm:Mastroeni
    am:Donovan
    lm:Beasley
    fw:Mathis
    fw:Convey

    Armas, Kirovski, Vanney are all not national team players, theyve all been given opportunities and have failed, with the exception of Armas who after his injury has lost a lot of ability and confidence....sorry Chris, Pablos a lot better
     
  10. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    The more I think about this game, the more worried I get......playing a motivated Brazil in a must-point game....argggh.

    Howard
    Cherundolo
    Gibbs
    Califf
    Boca
    Beasley
    Mastro
    Convey
    Klein
    Mathis
    Donavon


    Subs: If losing- Twellman, Cunningham
    If winning/tied- Armas, Hedjuk
     
  11. MetroStars

    MetroStars New Member

    Apr 1, 2003
    Howard
    Hejduk
    Gibbs
    Boca
    Vanney
    Mastroeni
    Convey
    Beasley
    Donavon
    Mathis
    Stuart

    I thought there was nothing wrong with Vanney and Hejduk. The U.S. have to practice their offside trap. Either that or their central defense looks very slow. I did not like the way Califf played. It looked like he fouled the player from behind and not Hejduk. The second goal that Turkey scored was a disaster. It was also on Califfs side. Maybe the defense should stay back more.
     
  12. flanoverseas

    flanoverseas New Member

    Mar 2, 2002
    Xandria
    Occam's razor.

    Sometimes, the solution to the most complicated problems, is the simplest one.
     
  13. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's like being the best sexually transmitted disease. :)

    I'll probably get slammed for saying this, and am likely wrong, but what the hell...

    ...I think our best left back might very well have played at the Home Depot Center yesterday. After watching how slow Vanney looked today, and thinking that foot speed _might_ be the only chink I've seen in Todd Dunivant's armor, I'm ready to see how he does at the next level. There certainly doesn't appear to be a lot of risk in having a look.
     
  14. terp fan

    terp fan New Member

    Nov 21, 2000
    No tomorrow

    Cameroon does matter if they don't beat Brazil. Brazil is a must win so Bruce will use all his guns. Since they played so poorly against Turkey move one will be to start all the bench players and fill in from there. BTW, in Bruce's own words 5-6 players were terrible w/o giving names.
     
  15. Richie

    Richie Red Card

    May 6, 1999
    Brooklyn, NY, United


    Gk Howard
    Right wing Back Hejduk
    Center back Bocanegra
    Center Back try Gibbs. I want to see him.
    Convey left wing back (I want Convey on the field)

    Defensive mid Mastrioni
    Attacking mid Mathis (I want Mathis on the field)

    Left wing Beasily
    Right wing Klein (if klein is subbed) Put Hejuk in the spot and Dolo at left wing back.

    Striker Donovan
    Striker Cunningham (I definately want this guy on the field) He is far more dangerous then Twellmen.

    Put twellman in the last match.
     
  16. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    I have a feeling that Jeff Cunningham will be starting this game.
     
  17. socrne1

    socrne1 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Feb 12, 2003
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the best out of the back four??? You got to be joking. You cant sit beas, we need the speed.
     
  18. Pyro

    Pyro Member

    Apr 18, 2000
    Fulton River District
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ***********Howard************

    Vanney*Bocanegra*Berhalter*Gibbs

    ****Mastroeni***

    Klein*Donovan*Lewis

    **Cunningham****Mathis
     
  19. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    Re: No tomorrow

    Brazil is not a must win. Looking at the group the US needs Turkey either to win or not to get thrashed by Brazil, so if the US wins against Cameroon and draws Brazil they are in on goal difference or more goals scored.

    The US MUST play defensively against Brazil. Not to be bunkered in, but just to check the Brazilian attack.

    5-3-2
    D: Cherundolo, Bocanegra, Mastroeni, Gibbs, Vanney
    M: Klein, Twellman, Lewis
    F: Donovan, Beasley

    I've got Mastroeni and Twellman falling back, but necessary to get a clear line of passing to DMB and LD.

    I don't know if Mathis should start, but if he does, Beasley falls back replacing Klein, putting Mathis up front with Donovan.
     
  20. Alex_1

    Alex_1 Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Zürich
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I agree. And I disagree with a lot of people's line-ups that have the same players that played on Wednesday in this match. The match is on friday - only maybe 48 hours later. Arena will mix it up. THat is the only real way to play in these tournaments to minimize risk of fatigue and injury. When you look at it like this, it is quite challenging for the manager. But it makes perfect sense that Bocanegra and Maestroni (in general better defenders) would be available - it shows that the US values this match a bit more than the Turkey one. But for some reason I think Turkey really surprised the US and were underestimated. Well, maybe I am not so surprised. ;)

    I disagree with this. The US is in a must win if they are to have more control of their own destiny. A draw will aid the cause. Those are the results that they need. IMO, the US will play a counter attacking game (shame they did not include Josh Wolff) as Brazil will be heavily offensive minded. Brazil does feel this is a must win, and will play accordingly. If the US can get Brazil on their heels and catch them napping or pushing the wing backs too far up, they stand a chance to pull out a positive result. Parreira is now going to experiment and get creative with the midfield. I would have hoped for Ronaldinho to start - but doubt that he will come on unless Brazil's midfield is un-organized. I have a feeling that Alex will do well though - Maestroni will have to mark him to stop his link-up with the forwards. If he gets free, the way he is playing, he will raise hell for the US defense regardless of who is there.

    The thing is -the same Cameroon squad that gave Brazil second half fits will be in tune for the match versus the US. You don't want to face that looking for a must win and you want to have some leverage with your points. That's why the strategy for the result may be different. I see what Arena is doing - he didn't have too many good options with the design of this tournament.
     
  21. IamtheShark

    IamtheShark New Member

    Mar 8, 2001
    Springfield, IL
    Don't you guys think each keeper is set to get a game?

    ----------------Big Marcus----------------

    Stevie-------Bocanegra------------Gibbs

    -----------------Pablo---------------------

    ---Stewart----Martino/Convey------DMB

    ---------------Landon----------------------

    ------------Clint------------Twellman-----


    Pablo slides back to cover Stevie and Gibbs when they advance, making it more of a 4-3-3/4-4-2 as needed. Stewart and Landon can interchange as needed; DMB runs until he's empty--probably around min. 60. Give Martino a start and see what happens?

    If Landon, Convey, and DMB all start they would all have to be subbed out due to the short layover (I think), so probably only two out there to begin.

    Subs:
    Klein for Landon (slide Stewart centrally)
    Lewis for DMB
    Cunningham for forward (or maybe Martino/Convey and slide Mathis back)

    Roll the dice, go for goals.
     
  22. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Howard -- the best goalie here.

    Cherundolo -- his superior crossing will help and his physical weakness won't be as big of an issue.

    Califf -- better than Berhalter yesterday.

    Bocanegra -- Fast, Big and skilled.

    Vanney -- best option really.

    Beasley -- Lewis was tired. Sub Lewis in in the second half if the situation allows.

    Mastroeni -- his turn.

    Stewart -- he still helps (use Klein in the second half)

    Martino -- Blood him.

    Donovan -- still our best player, use him as long as he is effective.

    Mathis -- he can score.
     
  23. galperin

    galperin Member

    Feb 1, 2001
    Maineville, OH
    -- -- -- -- Howard

    'dolo -- boca -- vanney -- lewis

    -- -- -- pablo -- convey

    -- -- klein -- donovan -- dmb

    -- -- -- -- mathis
     
  24. Brownswan

    Brownswan New Member

    Jun 30, 1999
    Port St. Lucie, FL
    Aslo, Beas is our most resiliant player, the one most able to bounce back on short notice.

    Donovan is the one who needs the rest -- bu his own admission -- both physically and mentally.
    Have him availble as a sub, but try to get him some rest in before meeting an explosive Cameroon side.
     
  25. Der Kaiser

    Der Kaiser Member

    Jul 30, 1999
    Howard

    Cherundolo Gibbs Bocanegra Heydude

    Mastroeni

    Klein Donovan Stewart


    Mathis

    Cunningham


    Hejduk has enough in the tank to play again.
    Take Donovan off at the half. Move Mathis to the middle. Bring on Twellman for Donovan. Bring on Beasley for Stewart if we need offense late. Or bring on Armas if we are protecting a result. I would give Martino his minutes against Cameroon. With out a result here the cameroon game is pointless.
     

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