So that "breaking news " of about 60 days ago in which the Metros were gonna make an anouncement was yet ANOTHER false alarm....jeez...I though end of April was the "new deadline". Talk about TORTURE.
Quote from Starledger, http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/108425985126730.xml "Six years ago, the MetroStars were finalizing plans for a new stadium and the Crew was playing at a dilapidated facility at Ohio State. This weekend, the Crew will celebrate the five-year anniversary of Crew Stadium while the MetroStars are... finalizing plans for a new stadium. " Kind of sums it up, doesn't it! G
I think the real Harrison plan is for a minor league baseball stadium, since the Bears stadium in Newark has been such big success. And Metro will stay put. In the Swamp. Forever or for the next 10 years. Which ever comes first.
I saw that in the ledger too. Thats is real incredible the more you think about it. When I see that it really makes me wonder if this stadium isnt all a smoke screen.
Did you ever think about the nasty world of politics and red tape that is being involved with this project? That maybe certain politicians don't want this stadium being built. That somethings are not in control of the MFO. I want the stadium now as much as you guys do. And yes Nick deserves some of the ridiculing from us with the 60-90 days speech he gave. But enough is enough. People come on now. Sure Columbus, LA/Carson, Dallas/Frisco got thru the red tape and those states decided to allow it to happen. Yes we have those politicians that want the Harrison stadium built, but what about those who don't want it built. Did you ever think about that? It's those people who probably want the project scraped and they want all sporting events in North East NJ that is either Football/soccer related to stay in the Meadowlands. Do I know who wants that. No I don't. But what I do know is that I am sick and tired of waiting but also sick and tired of the over-used 60-90 days schtick by the lot of you. This will happen and when the official word does happen we will all go to Harrison at the site and join in the party as those silver shovels will be going into the ground and the ceremony will commence. We will tell all those who didn't want this to happen or to those who don't like this sport to go kiss our rear ends. Be patient. That's all. It's going to happen.
No harsh words, Just have to believe that this management isnt really serious about moving this club forward. And without a stadium the metros will always be some stagnant milk and cookie operation looking for an identity. We all know the bottom line, Every team NEEDS a SSS!!!
common sense leads me to believe that the FO does actually want their own stadium and there are very obvious reasons why i refuse to believe otherwise...people (us) want answers, and they've made the mistake of giving in to that and giving us false hope...we may as well just resign ourselves to waiting this one out and dealing with NJSEA as long as we have to..
In fairness to your post. No I won't. But at least I know that something is going to get done. And maybe instead of crying foul about it. Why not inquire about the problem with MFO and find out if there is a way you can help with the solution of it. If not be patient and something is going to happen. Remember it's not that the MFO isn't trying. It's all the B.S. Red Tape called NJ Political government that is interferring with this. If we were in another state these things would have been settled and done with and the grounds would be halfway completed by now. But don't forget the State of NJ in the political sense is backwards and would rather not do anything at all.
Yanked from ESPN.com Myles (Baltimore, MD): What's the latest on the stadiums in Denver and New Jersey? Rob Stone: New soccer specific stadiums are the future of MLS..without them, it will be very difficult to prosper. Denver-whells rolling..heard they were looking at 2 sites-one downtown next to Pepsi..the other in a burb-but not too far away....adn for Jersey????? what a painful question..can we finalize this thing already. Especially frustrating when you see the quick work done by the Nets in Queens? and now the Jets on the west side..yes i know it takes time, and there's lots of politics and other stuff involved (hey, i watch the Soprano's-I know what's going down.)...Here's my new mandate for the Metros..don't send out anymore press releases until it's the one inviting us to your ground breaking. In the end, it looks like Harrison is thiiiiiiiiiisssssssss close to finally being done...but hey, they did finally seal the deal on a new training ground which was some positive news
Section 113: Thank you very much for finding that. So you see folks. It's not so much what the MFO is not doing. It's what's blocking them to get it done. Thank Goodness the Peaquanock trainning grounds are thru. Now let's all stand back, take a couple of deep breaths and allow this damned thing to get done so we can celebrate the ground breaking day.
exactly who is it that doesnt want this project done? i can understand that investors- public & private- may be jittery, but the sense i get is that the swamp-folks could give a $hit.
Job description: Get a SSS built ASAP in the right location with the right economics. Project will require navigating a difficult political situation with nasty oppoenents and lots of pitfalls. Do it in a way that excites and engages the current fan base, so they supoprt the team (e.g. buy tickets) through the process. Trying hard isn't the question. Competence is the question. I think these guys are at strike 4.
With all due respect, NO ONE knows whether the stadium will be built or not. And NO ONE knows whose fault it is, which is beside the point of how does one define "fault"? If there is someone on these boards who has evidence to contribute in either of these directions, or even solid logic to base their judgment on, I'm sure we'd ALL be interested in hearing it. Certainly what has occurred is consistent with "someone" blocking the Stadium: it's also consistent with MFO not having the skill to drive the project home. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that history is replete with examples of things that "couldn't get done" until a different group of people came along and showed how to do it. I'm not saying that is the case here, just that everything that's happened is consistent with this scenario as well. The only OBJECTIVE thing I can think of to blame on the MFO are these sporadic "announcements". They should just keep quiet (and Don as well) until there's something to report. =NLK=
Man, I hate stadium threads. But just to get newbies up to speed... The final administrative step is getting the HCIA to float the bonds. This was supposed to be done in late April, and I took it as a good sign when Tom DeGise was at GS to kick out the first ball on opening day. (Norman Guerra was there as well.) It just hasn't happened yet. Why is anybody's guess - maybe the D&T study came back bad, maybe they're waiting for more data, maybe they're waiting for the AEG payoff checks to clear. We don't know. If someone wants to call and ask what's up, the number at the HCIA is 201-795-4555. Just call and ask when the next meeting is, and whether or not Harrison Redev bond approval is on it.
Slow Fox. No disagreement there. And no I don't have proof, but still if the state legislature when they had the stadium bill at their disposal a few years back to vote on it and agreed to it, they decided not to do anything about it. They decided not to vote on it. Even though this is thru the Hudson County politicans and the town of Harrison. Harrison has to answer to Hudson County 1st and if Hudson County doesn't want to handle it then it becomes a state issue. Plus I try not to mix politics with football, but since the democrat senator who represented NJ left his post due to excepting gifts he shouldn't have. They never had an emergency election which is by law. Who took over for him was one of their own Lautenberg a former senator. This was the wrong way to go and judges use their political beliefes to make decisions instead of the facts. So from that point on I truly believe that the Government of the State of NJ or at least a certain part of it wheather it's the state or the county of Hudson is trying not to allow the Metro to build their own stadium. But to be fair as well. Nick and Don Garber should have kept their big mouths shut about an quick announcement like the old 60 to 90 days crap. So like I said MFO has messed up, but now the blame is all on the politics of this crap from the politicians who don't want it. That's what I think. Too much Red Tape that shouldn't be there.
What the heck are you talking about. Senator Toricelli didn't resign. He just stepped down from his reelection bid and the Democrats put up Lautenberg(sp?) instead of having a new primary (no time for that). Lautenberg won the general election. At no point was NJ without an elected Senator. Unless I remember wrong and of course you actually live there ...
You are correct. Robert Torecelli simply gave up his re-election bid. Very late, after the state deadline for doing such things, so the way Frank Lautenburg got on the ballot was pretty shady, but given that he was legitimately elected.I'm not sure why the state would be against this really. Not like we're kicking out thousands of people out of thier homes or anything. Hopefully soon, though I know better.
McGreevey and the state government have nothing to do with it - state money was dropped from the plan when Leonard Connors refused to let it get out of Senate committee for a vote. I swear to you all, the next and only remaining step in the financing is the HCIA. McGreevey does not hate Metro or soccer.
Living in NJ yes. But I can still hate the politicians of this state who are either trying to undermind this fabulos project or trying to stuff their own pockets.
Let's put it this way: it's fair to say that BOTH MFO and NJ/agencies/politicians are at fault. Usually when you try to define what you mean by "at fault" it's something like: "if they had done something differently then we would have been successful". And THAT definition can usually be applied to all parties. So we haven't really identified a single target for our wrath (as much as I'd like to ). Obie's explanation of what remains to be done certainly SEEMS on the mark. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if there turn out to be a few more twists and turns on the way, but money is usually at the heart of the matter one way or the other. Who knows, maybe the runup in interest rates recently has the agency skittish? =NLK=
In what probably is pretty irrelevant news (with regards to the stadium that is): Economy improves Jersey's cash flow Extra $700 million offers budget relief http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-1/108494780895060.xml One would guess (emphasize guess) as long as the economy keeps "improving" (at least numbers wise) there are less obstacles to shelling out money for stuff such as funding a stadium, i suppose......