Stadium News XV:: Tiny Stadium Nuggets > Chicken Nuggets

Re: Tiny Stadium Nugget

Shit, most times, the bus drivers don't have any earthly idea how to get to New Carrollton, either...

 

I thought it was only in Montgomery County where you couldn't get beer at 7-11?

Hell, at least they have 7-11 in Maryland... there are NO 7-11's in North Carolina. None. It's a travesty. Instead there are random convenience stores (that suck because they don't have slurpees), "Family Fare" stores at BP stations, Kangaroo stores/gas stations (which apparently bought out 7-11 in North Carolina years and years ago.

 

I don't want this to sound culturally insensitive, but I know PG County - and PG County does not have a lack for beer and liquor stores.

 

Here's the study report - plenty to read!

http://www.mdstad.com/pdf/MSASoccerStadiumFinalReportSept08.pdf

 

Here's story from the post.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/

 

Tons to read, but here's the summary from the last page:

Summary
Viewing the proposed new soccer stadium as a company and the residents of the County and the State as its shareholders, the proposed facility has the ability to provide a strong return on the investment associated with on-going operations by:
 Receiving increased national and international exposure through media coverage
 Increasing and diversifying market share
 The estimated event activity at the proposed new soccer stadium ranges from 54 to 63
events and 680,000 to 841,000 in total attendance annually in a stabilized year – the majority of which is estimated to be net new business to the State
 Attracting events that generate significant economic activity including spending, jobs and taxes in a stabilized year
 Direct spending resulting from activities at the proposed facility is estimated to range from approximately $42.5 million to $51.9 million annually
 Total spending (including indirect/induced benefits) is estimated to range from approximately $65.4 million to $79.9 million annually
 Activities at the proposed facility are estimated to support approximatel y 1,080 to 1,320 full-time equivalent jobs annually
 Fiscal benefits generated from sales and use, admissions and amusement, personal income, corporate income, and hotel/motel taxes are estimated to range from approximately $1.8 million to $2.2 million in the County and $3.3 million to $4.0 million in the State annually
 Contributing to the on-going revitalization efforts of the area by providing a critical mass of patrons to support area businesses as well as mass transit initiatives

 

if you look at positives and the challenges, theres a shit load of challenges in pg county.
and if you look at the survey, like we thought alot of people will stop going.....
dc is the only option to maintain a good fan base and to grow.
outside, its going to stay stagnit for god knows how long.

when I have mroe time, i wanna read the whole study, but def well done, i think it supports us, but def shows how many challenges there are that we have to go against

 

99 pages of feasibility report to digest...

99 pages of feasibility...

take one down, past it around,

98 pages of feasibility report to digest...

 

I grew up in Beltsville & I still think that PG County has more liquor stores with drive-up windows than any other county.

 

After taking a quick glance at the study, I agree it definitely indicates there are some large hurdles to overcome as far as winning fans over to a locationg in PG. I would assume that many respondents said they would be less likely to attend more often if the site is in PG because they want the team to stay within the District. It would be interesting to see if given that a site in DC is no longer an option and PG is a done deal if those numbers would change.

Overall I think it supports the idea of a stadium in PG as long as it comes attached with auxiliary fields and this smaller concert venue attached.

 

I know. I grew in CP and there are still a few in the immediate area. Heck, there's even a liquor store near campus that will deliver to your home.

 

I've glanced thru the report and this jumped out at me. I just don't see how the stadium will generate this many FTEs annually. Most of the staff that works at most stadiums are what I would deem seasonal employees that have full-time jobs elsewhere and are doing this for additional income or because they like to work sporting events on a part-time basis.

 

That's why they use "Full Time Equivalents"

 

Yes. IOW, it takes many stadium employees to make up one real person.

 

This explains the level of service from CSC Employees

 

yeah - but how many drive-up port-a-johns do they have?

 

How "port-a" are you?

 

[AND ALL THE OTHER POSTS RE-INTERATING THIS}

Sorry - I don't buy this at all - If you frequently and regularly come to games at RFK (and that isn't the preferred location for 3/4 of fans - No VA fans prefer it to be in Springfield or Landmark Plaza - Monty fans prefer it at the Sportsplex - Other MD fans prefer it at Annapolis, Columbia, Bowie, etc), then you will continue to frequently come to games anywhere along the Beltway and with Metro access - Its not the preferred venue, but its THE ONLY VENUE with a professional soccer team - Its not like Chelsea vs Arsenal vs Tottenham vs Fulham vs West Ham - vs Charlton vs Crystal Palace vs Queen's Park Rangers - etc, etc

There is only ONE team in the area worth seeing all the time and thats United - PERIOD - As long as its NOT near Dulles or or Kings Dominion or Kent Island or Frederick, DC United fans who now frequently go to RFK will continue to go to any other locale along the beltway and near a Metro

The real kicker in the study is the estimate number of events of 54 to 63 - DC Council's opponents of anything for DC United at Poplar Point keep harping at only 16-18 MLS home games per year - The reality is about twice as much - If 54 ot 63 events at a venue is good for PG County, then it has to be even better for DC and Anacostia

 

If I had a You Tube video of Monty Python's Road Race for Men with Incredibly Weak Bladders, I'd post it in an instant - Or quick as a spurt

 

My favorite part of the ongoing stadium saga is everyone turning in their season tickets and bitching about how far it is to travel, how the traffic will suck etc. whenever the slightest bit of news or non-news is announced.

Let's save all that complaining for when an actual location is decided on. By the time they build the stadium we will all have jetcars and traffic won't be a problem or we will be in a life and death struggle with our robot overlords. So either way getting the game will not be a problem.

 

In The Post, where folks post comments, there are already those calling bullshit to the projected number of stadium events.

There is a very useful section of the study that shows actual number of events and event types in several MLS stadiums. If you need figures to rebut the idiots, go there.

The only complaint I have with the study is that in the intro, in describing DC United's accomplishments over the years, they didn't include this year's Open Cup.

Fortunately none of those who will read the study with the eye to rebutting will know enough about the sport to catch this...

When you read the report (and I know you all will) you'll notice the mention of an indoor concert event facility that holds up to 6000. Some may remember that one of the facilities being explored by the FO was Ricoh Arena, Coventry City's home grounds. If you follow the link you'll come to a gallery of events. From the pictures and their placement, it's pretty clear that the emphasis is not solely on the game. Ricoh has a very large indoor event concert hall, a number of bars and restaurants, and an attached hotel with suites that have windows that are field-side. I suppose if the match is boring one can always hope for a shot of the action going on in those rooms

Looks like United still has something like Ricoh in mind. One more reason to think the number of events the study projects is a real number.

 

FWIW, page 90 of the study has a chart of the number of events and it does not include the other venue. There is this on page 96(98 of the PDF) though:

//on my third time reading the document...
//glad the title of the thread was changed

 

*furiously draws picture of Tumblecrickets*

Seriously, though. I'm happy to see a report such as this, not because I necessarily endorse this report one way or the other, but rather because it puts pressure on the DC City Council to make a decision.

To use a dopey metaphor (other than Tumblecrickets!), this advances the ball down the field. Since I'm an optimist, either the team has moved a step closer to a stadium in Maryland, or it has moved a step closer to a stadium in DC. DC United now has a little leverage with the city, which is what it needs to make something, ANYTHING, happen. I want a stadium built. I don't really care where, as long as it has Metro access.

And may I take this moment to also voice my displeasure with NYRB? How does that pissant franchise get a stadium before we do? I would rather swallow lit dynamite while I contract ebola while I'm being eaten alive by alligators, than have to see that stupid franchise play in a new stadium before our beloved DCU does. Ugh. Makes me sick!

 

As long as it's in the DC Metro area, has ample tailgating space, and DC United is playing there, I'm there. If you build it, I will come. Just get the thing done and do it right is all I ask.

Oh yeah, and I hope PG County cops are as cool with the smell of Jamaica in parking lots as DC cops have been over the years. Considering what went down with the Berwyn Heights mayor, I'm a little scared.