Re: Team's Working name: St Louis United Boo on the St. Louis United. I do like the St. Louis Knights, though.
Re: Team's Working name: St Louis United How about a new poll to vote on a team name now that we're on the doorstep here? If JC took the crest idea from here, why not give him some names to consider too? Put me down for Olympic. Even though the ABA used "Spirits" 30 years ago in STL, I think it could be an appropriate team name as well. Brainstorming: Olympic, Spirits, Knights, United, FC STL, 1904, Warlocks. If my computer skills had ever risen above Atari & Pong from the early 80's, I would post the poll myself. Hence, I will wait for the Sport Billy's & KeepersDad's of this group to lead the way.
Re: Team's Working name: St Louis United I think MLS teams need to have more soccer type names without being so blatant like RSL. St Louis United, Gateway SC, Gateway City SC
Re: Team's Working name: St Louis United Just when i was going to post some domain sluething i found regarding philly (not involving the philadelphiaindependencefc.com domain) i the philly forum oh well.
Re: Team's Working name: St Louis United Before we get into another full-fledged name debate, PLEASE read some of our first two threads on this. We covered tons of angles. If, after that you would like to join the fracas, please do. After the meeting last night, I would have to say that the name really is up in the air. Although Cooper could have been just dodging the question, but that doesn't seem like his style.
Re: Team's Working name: St Louis United Just stumbled upon the St. Louis Soccer United site today. All the concepts for the stadium, crest, everything is very professional. St. Louis United isn't bad with a "Saints" nickname. I hope everything goes through for you guys and you get a team out on the pitch before 2010. I'm ready for an I-70 rivalry. GO WIZARDS!
Re: Team's Working name: St Louis United I'm also new here. I'm not sure I like "United", but I don't care as long as we get a team. I do like the "Saints" nickname though.
Re: Team's Working name: St Louis United You finally get a chance to break news, instead of reporting it like you are breaking it when it has been in the papers for 36 hours, and you are going to pass on it because of me breaking your ovaries? Pfft.
Louis IX was an anti-semite who caused tons of pain and suffering to the Jewish communities of France. So while you're right that we can't change the fact that our city was named after him, we can ignore that fact when considering a name, crest and uniform for our MLS team. Somehow, the cards, rams and blues have managed to survive without incorporating any crosses or images of Louis into their schemes. Jews don't view crosses as intrinsically offensive. However, a cross in association with Louis IX is a symbol which represents anti-semitism. While Louis or a cross may seem like an appropriate image to incorporate, to some they are extremely offensive symbols. Why not stick with images of the Arch and fleur-de-lis which are offensive to none? According to wikipedia, AC doesn't stand for "Athletic Club"; it stands for "Associazione Calcio", which is Italian for "Football Association". If that is the case, it doesn't make sense for the team to be called AC St. Louis, cuz we don't speak Italian. That would just be the dumbest thing ever. If you want a European-style name, I like STL Gateway(sort of like PSV Eindhoven). If you like American-style names, I say we go with Stars or Steamers. On a side note, I'm really not a fan of round crests. shield-shaped crests are much more attractive to me. But I like that Arch-capped crest that was posted on sportslogos.net forums. And that's my two cents. But seriously, the anti-semitism issue is worth more than that.
I know for AC Milan it's in Italian, but since we speak English it could stand for Athlectic Club. And, I don't think we need to worry about a crest anymore. I think SLSU nailed it. In fact, can we get a new round of jersey designs with green and silver?
Yeah, AC could stand for "Athletic Club", but basically everyone will think that it stands for Associazione Calcio, and then they will laugh at us because our team is called Associazione Calcio St. Louis. Also, why would you call a football club an "Athletic Club"? Yeah, SLSU nailed it, except for the extremely offensive anti-semitic depiction of Louis IX holding up a cross.
Please we have been over this time and again. It is a sceptre not a cross. The fleur-de-lis has often been used to represent the Trinity. These are not religious symbols they are our city - move on. First - it stands for Atheletic Club if the team says it does. Second - Have you ever heard of Athletic Club Bilbao? or for that matter, A.F.C. Bournemouth, Sunderland A.F.C, or A.F.C. Wimbledon - which are all Athletic Football Clubs Get a clue and stop trying to stir sh*t.
Why don't we change the name of the city? The truth of the matter is that nearly any name will likely offend someone. I find the St. Louis Stars offensive in the fact that it brings up racial segregation.
It's not like it's a picture of Innocent IV standing next to Louis burning the Talmud. It's a guy on a horse holding a sword.
My point is not that football teams are not called "Athletic Club". My point is that the designation of an athletic club is an institution which fields many teams and has departments in several sports working under the same umbrella organization. An MLS franchise is not that. It only fields a football team, so it's a football club. If you still want the St. Louis franchise to be "Athletic", fine. But don't call them AC St. Louis. There's a reason they're called AFC Wimbledon and not AC Wimbledon. It's cuz the club's not in Italy. The team could even be called AFC St. Louis or St. Louis AC; just not AC St. Louis. I would be embarrased not just for St. Louis, but for MLS as a whole.
It would be fine if he was just holding a sword by a handle. But he's not. it's upside down depicting a cross. Louis IX holding a cross is an image which evokes anti-semitism. You might as well have a crest depicting Louis torching a cartload of Talmud manuscripts.
So you're saying cross by itself = Okay Saint Louis IX by himself = okay mix the two together and you get a swastika? Would it be okay if he was say swinging the sword like he was hacking someone up? Why don't you form a petition to have the statue removed and the name of the city changed. You might have a better chance of that than convincing all of us that we're closet anti-semites.
I'm not a fan of AC, but you don't have a clue. You do know that Cooper will also have a womens team. His partner has a baseball team and they often host horse racing. Does that qualify as an Athletic Club?
If you had read my original post, u would have seen that i explained that the cross is not viewed by jews as being an intrinsically anti-semitic symbol. And an image of Louis IX is not that big a deal. When you combine the two together it envokes anti-semitism because his anti-semitic sentiments and actions were a result of his desire for the supremacy of christianity. That's why the two symbols, when connected, can be offensive. Also, in no way am I saying the people in this forum are closet anti-semites. I just think it would be insensitive to combine those symbols in the logo scheme of an MLS franchise.