SR4's Heir - Welcome Eder Gabriel Militao

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  1. white_raid2

    white_raid2 Member

    Real Madrid
    May 9, 2023
    I don't think this injury is the result of playing too much. He didn't reinjure the same knee, it was the other knee that simply caved in. He is obviously prone to such injuries because it happened without strong force, no hit to the knee, no twist or change of direction at high speeds, no overextension.
     
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  2. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    There are doctors far more insightful than us that discuss these issues but football has practically sacrificed the traditional preseason for play for pay friendlies and promotional dates, with the players getting more rope in terms of short vacations which they obviously don't use for recovery.

    That's not about the actual games, more about getting the players ready for the season physically, getting their medicals and health status up to standard. Every other sport does a training camp before the season, football forgot about it. Even motorsports athletes do a pre season training schedule. We play in LA and Las Vegas and call it a day.
     
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  3. white_raid2

    white_raid2 Member

    Real Madrid
    May 9, 2023
    Yeah, when you are out of shape and forced to play it's much more likely to overcommit and make a wrong choice. Also, the game is being played at much higher intensity than before with more games. It doesn't necessarily have to be wear and tear, but there are simply more opportunities for injury. But in Militao's case I don't think that played a huge role, I think he is simply less resilient.
     
  4. pramod

    pramod Member+

    Realmadrid
    Sep 4, 2006
    Hyderabad @ India
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    Real Madrid
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    India
    For squad planner it is better not to count militao for next two season - we can just assume we have not Militao and plan our squad
     
  5. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
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    Colombia
    Alright boys

    time to spend on some dudes that we will then sell in The summer lol
     
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  6. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Practically every Bayern winter buy proved to be a nuclear solution. So much waste of resources. I was talking at work and everybody agreed that Bayern would've been better off trusting the young players back then.
     
  7. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
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    Colombia

    I agree

    I don’t see any CB available in the winter as an actual solution, even temporary
     
  8. AppleBob86

    AppleBob86 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2018
    It might be we bring summer objectives forward to January but then that is probably an additional 20ME on top of players value
     
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  9. Xourtois

    Xourtois Member

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 25, 2024
    Does anyone else think Madrid has been complete assholes with Militao?

    Instead of slowly adjusting him into the team with enough rest after an ACL tear we just ran this guy into ground.

    The second ACL is simply him adjusting his load of of fear of another ACL on the other knee.

    Simply put, we really didn't give a ******** about Militaos career. His career will never be the same after a dual ACL.
     
  10. Nathanial Essex

    Nathanial Essex Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    Mar 19, 2017
    No. He had to play eventually and this is likely just shit luck. Yes, Ancelotti should rotate but our injuries are completely out of the norm.
     
  11. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I apologize but this is the most unhinged take.

    Real Madrid will be paying Eder Patrick Ewing Militao almost 300k per week until 2028, that's FOUR MORE YEARS of him earning over 14 mil. Euro annually.

    By the time his contract is over he will be 30 years old. Real Madrid gave him life changing money and opportunity. In a world where people put on a coat at home to avoid turning on the heat, we're being told we ruined a man's life by paying him 60 mil. Euro over 5 or so years. OKAY.

    His career is settled and entire life secured.
     
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  12. PeXXeR

    PeXXeR Member

    Real Madrid
    Sep 24, 2023
    After I stopped fuming at the injuries I agree that Eder should have been rotated more and the board investing in a CB way before both him and Carva's injuries, however Eder was eased in since last year, he had a lot of time to recover.
     
  13. Nathanial Essex

    Nathanial Essex Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    Mar 19, 2017
    He could have been rotated and ended up with the same injury. It's his job, he has to play. And yeah, it would have been ideal, in general, to have more rotation but in the end he was cleared as fit and played like it too.
     
  14. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    Unfortunately some people are more likely to do their acl than others. Militao was eased back last season and only started to get real run in the Copa.

    Michael Owen had hamstring issues run in his family.

    Not everyone will be genetically the same.
     
  15. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    Just goes to show that trying to save money often results exactly with the necessity to spend more money. Sure he could have also gotten injured even if he wasn't playing but that reduces the chances. I don't understand how the club thought that we won't need rotation with the schedule of the season and all of the evidence from everywhere about the increased number of injuries.
     
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  16. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    He played as much as any other starting CB in Europe. If he can't be a full-time football player because of an injury, we shouldn't be paying full time football player type money.

    Pretty easy. I'm kind of sick of the complaints to be honest. People are trying to turn this into the NBA with load management, then when we drop results, the complaint will be the coach is constantly rotating and not allowing the squad to gel.


    It's up to a player to say you know what, I can only play so many minutes, and install certain contract incentives once he gets past them, but nobody wants to leave money on the table or be the guy that's too good to play and help out his team.
     
  17. Xourtois

    Xourtois Member

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 25, 2024
    There is no way Militaos second injury is some kind of bad luck.

    It is well known that players with ACL overcompensate on the other leg. Given the recency of his own ACL scare against Celta as confirmed it is pretty clear that he was playing with caution.

    We should never have been in position to play him all games. That is not the way to play a ACL injured returnee.

    We pay him money so he should be able to play is such a dumb take. Now it is a loss for both parties.

    We have effectively destroyed a world class CBs career and will be a white elephant in payroll and Militao lost his prime years will most probably end up playing for some Europa level teams after Madrid.

    This is gross negligence from board to not sign a defender to ease Militao slowly. Ancelotti being anti rotation became the icing on the cake.

    The premise that this is a unlucky injury does not sit well with anyone who have followed football for a while.
     
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  18. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    It’s convenient to say that Militao should have been rotated, question is with who?

    That’s on the club management and Carlo. Carlo might be one of the best manager’s ever, but his allergy to rotation tells me he might not be the manager to move forward with all these congestested seasons. That style is gonna wear the core of the team prematurely and we might be seeing the onset now.

    it’s a double whammy.
     
  19. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    So basically Militao becomes a part time/substitute player after his injury because he doesn't trust his leg anymore? What's the perspective on this? That he's out for two years? Plays once every 2 weeks and struggles to find consistency and form?

    You understand the part of compensating with the other leg is largely mental/a trust issue, which means unless you get enough routine, it remains.

    This is the thing, a thought is thrown out and people just roll with it.
     
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  20. Anon.

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    Sep 4, 2007
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  21. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Higher risk of ACL rupture in amateur football compared to professional football: 5-year results of the ‘Anterior cruciate ligament-registry in German football’


    In professional football, the highest training exposure (33.5.3 h per player per season) as well as significant higher match exposure (29.3 h; p < 0.001) was registered. Injury mechanism differed between all levels of play with majority of no-contact ACL ruptures in amateur players (n = 257; 53.2%), indirect contact injuries in semi-professional (n = 108; 39.1%) and primarily direct contact lesions in professional football players (n = 95; 48.0%) (Table 2).


    ACL injury incidences not only significantly differed within amateur football leagues
    (min: 0.038; max: 0.098; p < 0.001), but were overall significantly higher than in the professional leagues (0.058/1000 h; p < 0.0001). In professional football, the incidence of ACL injuries decreased from the 1st league (0.049) to the 3rd league (0.069); in contrast, the semi-professional football level showed a reverse trend with a high incidence of ACL injuries in the 4th league (0.062/1000 h) and the lowest rates in the 6th league (0.023–0.049; Fig. 3).



    This is a fascinating study.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9033691/#:~:text=Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) ligament,term and long-term effects.

    Despite the big difference in risk exposure they get injured less the higher the competition level goes, that will make you rethink the "these guys play more = they get injured more" idea.
     
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  22. Raul-7

    Raul-7 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 17, 2006
    Well professional players also have full-access to gyms, nutrition specialists, recovery equipment/specialists. It's not a fair comparison.
     
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  23. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Not even just the access they have to "want to".

    Meaning most people I see workout at the gym don't stretch, they don't properly warm up and down and they don't ice or get massages. As a professional athlete that is part of your regimen and if it isn't you don't physically last that long.
     
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  24. Xourtois

    Xourtois Member

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 25, 2024
    Of ourse amature players will get ACL more than professionals who take care of their physique and train in a scientific way .

    Amature players don't even warm up before a game.

    Is it even a doubt that professionals will take care of their body better , will have stronger joints , scientific routines , diet control , supplements , physio, scans, periodic check ups etc which will prevent injury.

    I don't think this research actually strengthen your argument that Militao playing non stop was not an issue.
     
  25. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Not with child support. Bet those checks look fat. That IG gal got her payday. If only he warned Endrick...
     
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