SPAIN – POSITIONAL RANKING : GKP 1.Iker Casillas 2.Ricardo Zamora 3.Andoni Zubizarretta 4.Jose Angel Iribar 5.Santiago Canizares 6..David De Gea 7.Luis Arconada 8.Antoni Ramallets 9.Jose Manuel Reina 10.Victor Valdes 11.Andres Palop 12.Francisco Buyo 13.David Raya 14.Abel Resino 15.Diego Lopez 16.Alex Remiro 17.Miguel Reina 18.Unai Simon 19.Juan Carlos Ablanedo 20.Joan Garcia 21.Miguel Angel 22.Ignacio Eizagirre 23.Javier Urruticoechea 24.Juan Acuna 25.Jose Molina 26.Fernando Pacheco 27.Toni Prats 28.Gorka Iraizoz 29.Jose Ramon Esnaola 30.Carmelo Cedrun 31.Kepa Arrizabalaga 32.David Soria 33.Manuel Almunia 34.Vicente Guaita 35.Mariano Garcia Remon 36.Aitor Fernandez 37.Antonio Betancurt 38.Salvador Sadurni 39.Robert Sanchez 40.Kiko Casilla 41.Sergio Asenjo 42.Juan Deusto 43.Alvaro Valles 44.Andoni Cedrun 45.Pedro Jaro 46.Manuel Cervantes 47.Antonio Adan 48.Juanito Alonso 49.Julen Lopetegui 50.Guillermo Eizaguirre 51.Agustin Elduayen 52.Francisco Liano DC 1.Sergio Ramos 2.Carles Puyol 3.Gerard Pique 4.Migueli Bianquetti 5.Antonio Maceda 6.Manuel Sanchis Hontiyuelo 7.Jesus Garay 8.Miguel Angel Nadal 9.Jacinto Quincoces 10.Andoni Goikoetxea 11.Ferran Olivella 12.Jose Ramon Alexanko 13.Raul Albiol 14.Inigo Martinez 15.Aymeric Laporte 16.Miguel Tendillo 17.Ivan Helguera 18.Abelardo Fernandez 19.Carlos Marchena 20.Robin Le Normand 21.Rafael Alkorta 22.Genar Andrinua 23.Gallego Rodriguez 24.Marcelino Campanal 25.Tonono Morena 26.Gustau Biosca 27.Marc Bartra 28.Antonio Alvarez 29.Pau Torres 30.Goyo Benito 31.Ivan Campo 32.Pau Cubarsi 33.Juan Carlos Arteche 34.Eric Garcia 35.Nacho Fernandez 36.Roberto Solozabal 37.Fernando Giner 38.Ciriaco Errasti 39.Jose Parra 40.Aitor Karanka 41.Mario Hermoso 42.Alfonso Aparicio 43.Pablo Orbaiz 44.Roberto Rios 45.Inaxio Cortabarria 46.Juanito Herrera 47.Javi Navarro 48.Pedro Vallana 49.Francisco Jemez 50.Alberto Gorriz 51.David Garcia FB 1.Jordi Alba 2.Jose Antonio Camacho 3.Joan Segarra 4.Rafael Gordillo 5.Dani Carvajal 6.Sergi Barjuan 7.Alejandro Grimaldo 8.Juanfran Torres 9.Cesar Azpilicueta 10.Joan Capdevila 11.Michel Salgado 12.Marc Cucurella 13.Marcos Llorente 14.Albert Ferrer 15.Feliciano Rivilla 16.Manuel Sanchis Martinez 17.Manuel Pablo 18.Jon Andoni Goikoetxea 19.Marcos Alonso Mendoza 20.Andoni Iraola 21.Pedro Porro 22.Miguel Chendo 23.Rafael Lesmes 24.Tomas Renones 25.Mariano Pernia 26.Pachin 27.Hector Bellerin 28.Marcelino Perez 29.Angelino 30.Alvaro Arbeloa 31.Isacio Calleja 32.Jose Luis Gaya 33.Alberto Belsue 34.Asier Del Horno 35.Juan Sol 36.Nacho Monreal 37.Julio Alberto 38.Juan Bernat 39.Eladio 40.Pedro De Felipe 41.Severino Reija 42.Gabriel Alonso 43.Oscer de Marcos 44.Aitor Larrazabal 45.Curro Torres 46.Juan Carlos Aguilera 47.Marquitos 48.Joaquim Rife 49.Sergio Reguillon 50.Quique Sanchez Flores 51.Manolo Jimenez 52.Diego Rico 53.Coke 54.Alvaro Carreras 55.Jose Carrete 56.Miguel Soler 57.Javi Galan 58.Carlos Martinez 59.Alejandro Balde 60.Luis Lopez Rekarte 61.Santiago Urquiaga 62 Gerardo Miranda 63.Cundi 64.Alberto Moreno 65.Francisco Delgado Melo 66.Juan Carlos Moreno 67.Aleix Vidal DMC/MC 1.Xavi Hernandez 2.Sergio Busquets 3.Fernando Hierro 4.Rodri Hernandez Cascante 5.Jose Pirri 6.Cesc Fabregas 7.Xabi Alonso 8.Josep Guardiola 9.Pedri 10.Thiago Alcantara 11.Donato Gama Da Silva 12.Marcos Senna 13.Rafael Martin Vazquez 14.Victor Munoz 15.Ignacio Zoco 16.Mikel Merino 17.Fabian Ruiz 18.Gabi Arenas 19.Miguel Munoz 20.Mikel Arteta 21.Ruben Baraja 22.Saul Niguez 23.Martin Zubimendi 24.Javi Martinez 25.Dani Parejo 26.Aleix Garcia 27.Borja Valero 28.Eusebio Sacristan 29.Guillermo Amor 30.Asier Illarramendi 31.Gavi 32.Vicente Engonga 33.Angel Zubieta 34.Jose Pep Claramunt 35.David Albelda 36.Jesus Maria Zamora 37.Adelardo 38.Sergi Roberto 39.Marti Verges 40.Jose Zarraga 41.Ander Herrera 42.Jon Andoni Larranaga 43.Quique Setien 44.Antonio Puchades 45.Roberto Fernandez 46.Jesus Glaria 47.Chus Pereda 48.Josep Fuste 49.Mariano Gonzalvo 50.Joaquin Alonso 51.Mauri 52.Jose Maria Maguregui 53.Leonardo Cilaurren 54.Luis Milla Aspas 55.Ramon Caldere 56.Jose Maria Belauste 57.Brais Mendez 58.Vicente Iborra 59.Ricardo Gallego 60.Vicente del Bosque 61.Nico Gonzalez 62. Jose Luis Violeta 63.Paquito 64.Perico Alonso 65.Bruno Soriano 66.Francisco Lopez 67.Carlos Soler 68.Joan Jordan 69.Dani Ceballos 70.Francisco Javier Farinos 71.Patxi Gamborena 72.Eugenio Leal 73.Benat Etxeberria 74.Luis Manzanares Milla 75.Juan Guedes 76.Oriol Romeu 77.Gerard Lopez 78.Nayim MR/ML/WING 1.Andres Iniesta 2.Francisco Gento 3.David Silva 4.Amancio Amaro 5.Lamine Yamal 6.Estanislao Basora 7.Miguel Gonzalez Michel 8.Luis Enrique 9.Koke Merrodio 10.Juanito Gomez 11.Nico Williams 12.Jesus Navas 13.Mikel Oyarzabal 14.Joaquin Sanchez Rodriguez 15.Pedro Rodriguez 16.Agustin Piru Gainza 17.Ferran Torres 18.Gaizka Mendieta 19.Carlos Rexach 20.Jose Luis Caminero 21.Jose Callejon 22.Joseba Etxeberria 23.Alex Baena 24.Joaquin Peiro 25.Fran Gonzalez 26.Lucas Vazquez 27.Roberto Lopez Ufarte 28.Aitor Beguiristain 29.Nolito Duran 30.Vicente Rodriguez 31.Jose Emiliano Amavisca 32.Luis Garcia Sanz 33.Francisco Carrasco 34.Carlos Lapetra 35.Guillermo Gorostiza 36.Jose Antonio Reyes 37.Epi Fernandez 38.Enrique Collar 39.Javier De Pedro 40.Ayoze Perez 41.Suso 42.Iker Muniain 43.Manuel Sarabia 44.Miguel Gonzalez 45.Albert Luque 46.Ignacio Churruca 47.Justo Tejada 48.Pablo Fornals 49. Jose Rojo 50.Enrique Saura 51.Victor Sanchez del Amo 52.Vitolo 53.Albert Riera 54.Sergio Garcia 55.Pedro Leon 56.Gerard Deulofeu 57.Pablo Hernandez 58.Markel Susaeta 59.Miguel Angel Angulo 60.Vicente Piera 61.Fran Yeste AMC 1.Luis Suarez Miramontes 2.Ladislao Kubala 3.Luis Aragones 4.Isco Alarcon 5.Juan Lozano 6.Jose Mari Bakero 7.Josep Samitier 8.Juan Mata 9.Dani Olmo 10.Juan Carlos Valeron 11.Santi Cazorla 12.Luis del Sol 13.Hector Rial 14.Juan Manuel Asensi 15.Guti Hernandez 16.Julen Guerrero 17.Juan Senor 18.Fernando Gomez 19.Luis Regueiro 20.Daniel Solsona 21.Manuel Velazquez 22.Raul Garcia Escudero 23.Miguel Pardeza 24.Xabi Prieto 25.Venancio Garcia 26.Pablo Sarabia 27.Vicente Guillot 28.Luis Molowny 29.Luis Alberto 30.Sergio Canales 31.Julio Cardenosa 32.Jose Luis Panizo 33.German Devora 34.Marco Asensio 35.Fermin Lopez 36.Ivan De La Pena 37.Eloy Olaya 38.Marcial Pina 39.Javier Irureta 40.Felipe Minambres 41.Silvestre Igoa 42.Iraragorri 43.Chirri Agirrizabala 44.Michu 45.Pedro Munitis 46.Herrerita Bueno 47.Jose Mari Poyon 48.Felix Sesumaga FC/SC 1.Raul Gonzalez Blanco 2.David Villa 3.Telmo Zarra 4.Fernando Torres 5.Emilio Butragueno 6.Isidro Langara 7.Fernando Morientes 8.Quini Enrique Gonzales 9.Alvaro Morata 10.Carlos Santillana 11.Cesar Rodriguez 12.Diego Costa 13.Iago Aspas 14.Gerard Moreno 15.Marcelino Martinez Cao 16..Joselu 17.Aritz Aduriz 18..Juan Antonio Pizzi 19.Julio Salinas 20.Raul Tamudo 21.Dani Ruiz Bazan 22.Alfonso Perez 23.Roberto Soldado 24.Jose Eulogio Garate 25.Manolo Sanchez 26.Paco Alcacer 27.Manuel Fernandez Pahino 28.Francisco Narvaez Kiko 29.Diego Tristan 30..Jesus Satrustegui 31.Mundo Trabanco Suarez 32.Julio Arza 33.Raul Vicente Amarilla 34.Fernando Llorente 35.Ismael Urzaiz 36.Alvaro Negredo 37.Adrian Escudero 38.Rafael Moreno Pichichi 39.Ruben Castro 40.Jose Luis Morales 41.Borja Iglesias 42.Paco Campos 43.Carlos Munoz 44.Ruben Cano 45.Manuel Badenes 46.Jorge Molina 47.Jonathan Soriano 48.Rodrigo Moreno 49.Hipolito Rincon 50.Jose Luis Arteche 51.Javier Ziganda 52..Campanal Garcia 53.Fernando Ansola 54.Salva Ballesta 55.Jose Antonio Zuldua 56.Borja Mayoral 57.Gaspar Rubio 58.Juan Araujo 59.Daniel Guiza SPAIN - TOP 300 : 1.Xavi Hernandez 2.Andres Iniesta 3.Luis Suarez Miramontes 4.Raul Gonzalez Blanco 5.Francisco Gento 6.Iker Casillas 7.Sergio Ramos 8.Carles Puyol 9.Ladislao Kubala 10.David Villa 11.Sergio Busquets 12.Fernando Hierro 13.Telmo Zarra 14.David Silva 15.Fernando Torres 16.Rodri Hernandez Cascante 17.Jose Pirri 18.Gerard Pique 19.Cesc Fabregas 20.Amancio Amaro 21.Emilio Butragueno 22.Lamine Yamal 23.Jordi Alba 24.Ricardo Zamora 25.Xabi Alonso 26.Andoni Zubizarretta 27.Isidro Langara 28.Migueli Bianquetti 29.Estanislao Basora 30.Miguel Gonzalez Michel 31.Jose Angel Iribar 32.Santiago Canizares 33.Luis Enrique 34.Josep Guardiola 35.Antonio Maceda 36.Manuel Sanchis Hontiyuelo 37.David De Gea 38.Pedri 39.Luis Aragones 40.Jose Antonio Camacho 41.Fernando Morientes 42.Isco Alarcon 43.Jesus Garay 44.Joan Segarra 45.Juan Lozano 46.Thiago Alcantara 47.Jose Mari Bakero 48.Koke Merrodio 49.Rafael Gordillo 50.Dani Carvajal 51.Luis Arconada 52.Quini Enrique Gonzales 53.Sergi Barjuan 54.Josep Samitier 55.Alvaro Morata 56.Juan Mata 57.Donato Gama Da Silva 58.Marcos Senna 59.Rafael Martin Vazquez 60.Victor Munoz 61.Alejandro Grimaldo 62.Carlos Santillana 63.Cesar Rodriguez 64.Juanito Gomez 65.Dani Olmo 66.Diego Costa 67.Ignacio Zoco 68.Juanfran Torres 69.Mikel Merino 70.Miguel Angel Nadal 71.Jacinto Quincoces 72.Andoni Goikoetxea 73.Antoni Ramallets 74.Jose Manuel Reina 75.Iago Aspas 76.Victor Valdes 77.Nico Williams 78.Fabian Ruiz 79.Jesus Navas 80.Juan Carlos Valeron 81.Gerard Moreno 82.Marcelino Martinez Cao 83.Santi Cazorla 84.Cesar Azpilicueta 85.Mikel Oyarzabal 86.Joaquin Sanchez Rodriguez 87.Joan Capdevila 88.Michel Salgado 89.Pedro Rodriguez 90.Agustin Piru Gainza 91.Luis del Sol 92.Andres Palop 93.Francisco Buyo 94.Ferran Olivella 95.David Raya 96.Jose Ramon Alexanko 97.Abel Resino 98.Gabi Arenas 99.Raul Albiol 100.Inigo Martinez 101.Miguel Munoz 102.Mikel Arteta 103.Ruben Baraja 104.Aymeric Laporte 105.Marc Cucurella 106.Marcos Llorente 107.Diego Lopez 108.Ferran Torres 109.Saul Niguez 110.Martin Zubimendi 111.Joselu 112.Gaizka Mendieta 113.Miguel Tendillo 114.Aritz Aduriz 115.Albert Ferrer 116.Juan Antonio Pizzi 117.Ivan Helguera 118.Feliciano Rivilla 119.Carlos Rexach 120.Jose Luis Caminero 121.Jose Callejon 122.Hector Rial 123.Javi Martinez 124.Julio Salinas 125.Joseba Etxeberria 126.Alex Baena 127.Raul Tamudo 128.Dani Ruiz Bazan 129.Alfonso Perez 130.Abelardo Fernandez 131.Manuel Sanchis Martinez 132.Juan Manuel Asensi 133.Joaquin Peiro 134.Roberto Soldado 135.Alex Remiro 136.Manuel Pablo 137.Guti Hernandez 138.Miguel Reina 139.Julen Guerrero 140.Jon Andoni Goikoetxea 141.Unai Simon 142.Juan Senor 143.Fernando Gomez 144.Fran Gonzalez 145.Lucas Vazquez 146.Dani Parejo 147.Aleix Garcia 148.Carlos Marchena 149.Jose Eulogio Garate 150.Roberto Lopez Ufarte 151.Marcos Alonso Mendoza 152.Aitor Beguiristain 153.Nolito Duran 154.Manolo Sanchez 155.Andoni Iraola 156.Borja Valero 157.Eusebio Sacristan 158.Robin Le Normand 159.Guillermo Amor 160.Asier Illarramendi 161.Gavi 162.Paco Alcacer 163.Vicente Engonga 164.Angel Zubieta 165.Pedro Porro 166.Rafael Alkorta 167.Vicente Rodriguez 168.Jose Pep Claramunt 169.Juan Carlos Ablanedo 170.Joan Garcia 171.Miguel Angel 172.David Albelda 173.Jesus Maria Zamora 174.Adelardo 175.Luis Regueiro 176.Manuel Fernandez Pahino 177.Jose Emiliano Amavisca 178.Genar Andrinua 179.Daniel Solsona 180.Sergi Roberto 181.Miguel Chendo 182.Rafael Lesmes 183.Tomas Renones 184.Mariano Pernia 185.Pachin 186.Francisco Narvaez Kiko 187.Hector Bellerin 188.Luis Garcia Sanz 189.Marcelino Perez 190.Diego Tristan 191.Francisco Carrasco 192.Jesus Satrustegui 193.Marti Verges 194.Jose Zarraga 195.Manuel Velazquez 196.Angelino 197.Raul Garcia Escudero 198.Ander Herrera 199.Jon Andoni Larranaga 200.Gallego Rodriguez 201.Quique Setien 202.Miguel Pardeza 203.Xabi Prieto 204.Carlos Lapetra 205.Antonio Puchades 206.Mundo Trabanco Suarez 207.Guillermo Gorostiza 208.Julio Arza 209.Jose Antonio Reyes 210.Roberto Fernandez 211.Raul Vicente Amarilla 212.Jesus Glaria 213.Epi Fernandez 214.Venancio Garcia 215.Chus Pereda 216.Alvaro Arbeloa 217.Isacio Calleja 218.Josep Fuste 219.Marcelino Campanal 220.Pablo Sarabia 221.Vicente Guillot 222.Ignacio Eizagirre 223.Javier Urruticoechea 224.Mariano Gonzalvo 225.Luis Molowny 226.Tonono Moreno 227.Joaquin Alonso 228.Jose Luis Gaya 229.Luis Alberto 230.Fernando Llorente 231.Ismael Urzaiz 232.Alvaro Negredo 233.Enrique Collar 234.Alberto Belsue 235.Javier De Pedro 236.Ayoze Perez 237.Adrian Escudero 238.Asier Del Horno 239.Juan Sol 240.Juan Acuna 241.Nacho Monreal 242.Julio Alberto 243.Jose Molina 244.Sergio Canales 245.Rafael Moreno Pichichi 246.Juan Bernat 247.Fernando Pacheco 248.Ruben Castro 249.Toni Prats 250.Gorka Iraizoz 251.Mauri 252.Jose Luis Morales 253.Suso 254.Jose Maria Maguregui 255.Borja Iglesias 256.Julio Cardenosa 257.Leonardo Cilaurren 258.Iker Muniain 259.Paco Campos 260.Gustau Biosca 261.Jose Ramon Esnaola 262.Luis Milla Aspas 263.Carmelo Cedrun 264.Jose Luis Panizo 265.German Devora 266.Ramon Caldere 267.Carlos Munoz 268.Marco Asensio 269.Jose Maria Belauste 270.Ruben Cano 271.Eladio 272.Pedro De Felipe 273.Severino Reija 274.Brais Mendez 275.Vicente Iborra 276.Marc Bartra 277.Antonio Alvarez 278.Pau Torres 279.Goyo Benito 280.Ricardo Gallego 281.Manuel Badenes 282.Gabriel Alonso 283.Fermin Lopez 284.Kepa Arrizabalaga 285.Manuel Sarabia 286.Ivan De La Pena 287.Oscar de Marcos 288.Vicente del Bosque 289.Ivan Campo 290.David Soria 291.Jorge Molina 292.Jonathan Soriano 293.Manuel Almunia 294.Aitor Larrazabal 295.Vicente Guaita 296.Pau Cubarsi 297.Mariano Garcia Remon 298.Juan Carlos Arteche 299.Eloy Olaya 300.Curro Torres
Spectacular work. I could contribute a lot to this list, but I have to acknowledge the great work you've done. Just one example. I'll soon be publishing the updated list of Athletic's all-time best players; neither Gaínza nor Gorostiza deserve to be so far down the list of wingers. I think we should separate the midfielders from the pure wingers in this group you've proposed.
@Titanlux, of course, I also used your excellent data and ratings, and such a broad ranking is more indicative than precise. I'm a bit surprised that you cited Gainza and Gorostiza as first examples of controversy. I expected different ratings for: Aragones (-), Juanfran (-), del Sol (+), Cazorla (+), Javi Martinez (+), Mendieta (+), Juanito Gomez (-), Marcelino Cao (-), R. Zamora (+), Samitier (+), Quincoces (+), Regueiro (+), Gamborena (+), Adelardo (+), Puchades (+), G. Eizaguirre (+), and lack of presence E. Yarza (+). Regarding Gorostiza and Gainza (as well as Quincoces and other players from very old times ), I usually judge the this players relatively more harshly than the modern ones. Although there are exceptions, especially among strikers (Langara). Regarding Juanito Gomez, Marcelino Martinez Cao, del Sol, and Cazorla, I'll reconsider making a minor adjustment in the future (for now, I have a closed list of the world's top 1000 and don't want to touch it until next year. I've already improved del Sol, perhaps not enough, although I think he didn't score enough when played in different positions). Regarding Aragonés and Juanfran T., this is my individual, deliberate choice. It's worth noting how many players, not those I classified as FC/SC (taking into account only the post-war period), have scored more goals in top-4 leagues than Luis Aragonés. There are probably only 18 such players in the world, and there's no Spaniard better than him. 1.Cristiano Ronaldo - 495 2.Messi - 474 3.Totti -250 4.Salah -222 5.Heynckess -220 6.R. Allen - 208 7.R. Baggio - 205 8.Griezmann -204 9.B. Charlton - 199 10.Mortensen -197 11.P. Harris - 192 12.Hamrin -190 13.Del Piero - 188 14.H. K. Rummenigge - 186 15.Boniperti -178 16.Lampard -177 17.Lohr -166 18.Holzenbein -166 19.Luis Aragones- 160 .................. ?. Maradona - 107 ?. del Sol - 52 Last question - In my system, separating the side midfielders from the pure wingers would be difficult
Gorostiza and Gaínza were just examples; I had been working on them a few minutes earlier, which is why I chose them to give my opinion. The truth is, I could have done so with many more. Del Sol was a kind of Valverde in his day: versatile, a fighter, and tactically gifted. When he arrived in Italy, he moved back, so his goal contribution was less than when he played as an inside midfielder for Real Madrid. You mention so many hundreds of players that it would be endless to give my opinion on all of them. In any case, don't hesitate to ask, as I've watched a lot of football and read even more, so I could be of great help with whatever you need. Regarding differentiating between inside midfielders and wingers, if you'd like, I can separate them for you; in some cases, it's very simple; in others, not so much, because it might even be a mix of both positions, as is the case with Baena. Then there was the case of Lapetra, who, like Zagallo, was a false 11, and others, like Rojo I, who, although everywhere you read he'll be listed as a left winger (always with the number 11 on his back), was actually used more as an inside forward (when he played alongside Churruca, he had a blast, as the latter loved drifting out wide). Incidentally, Amancio's case is very similar to Rojo I's, but on the right side. I myself think long and hard before posting whether to classify Amancio and Rojo I (and now Baena too) as wingers or inside forwards... But most of your list in this category could be differentiated without too much difficulty. Regarding Míchel, I've always been very surprised that he appears so often as a winger on this forum. No. Like Gordillo, he was very fond of running down the wing and crossing, but Míchel was clearly a right midfielder with an attacking mindset. Lo de Gorostiza y Gaínza solo fue un ejemplo; hacía unos minutos había estado trabajado sobre ellos y por eso los elegí para dar una opinión. Lo cierto es que podría haberlo hecho con muchos más. Del Sol era una especie de Valverde en su época: polivalente, luchador y tácticamente un superdotado. Cuando llegó a Italia, retrasó su posición por lo que su aportación en goles fue menor que cuando en el Madrid jugaba de interior. Mencionas a tantos cientos de jugadores que sería interminable dar mi opinión sobre todos ellos. De todas formas, no tengas ningún inconveniente en solicitarla ya que he visto mucho fútbol y he leído muchísimo más, por lo que podría ayudarte bastante en lo que puedas necesitar. Respecto a diferenciar interiores y extremos (wings), si quieres, te los puedo separar; en algunos casos, es muy sencillo; en otros no tanto, porque, incluso, sería una mezcla de ambas posiciones como es el caso del actual Baena. Luego estaba el caso de Lapetra, que al igual que Zagallo era una falso 11, y otros, como Rojo I que aunque en cualquier lugar que leas te pondrá que era wing izquierdo (siempre con el 11 de dorsal), en realidad se empleaba más de interior (cuando coincidía con Churruca se lo pasaba genial, pues a este último le encantaba escorarse al extremo). Por cierto, el caso de Amancio es muy similar al de Rojo I, pero por el lado derecho. Yo mismo, me pienso mucho a la hora de publicar si colocar a Amancio y a Rojo I (ahora también a Baena) como wings o como interiores... Pero la mayor parte de tu lista en esta categoría se podría diferenciar sin demasiadas dificultades. Respecto a Míchel siempre me ha sorprendido muchísimo que en este foro aparezca muchas veces como un wing. No. Al igual que a Gordillo, era muy aficionado a recorrer la banda y centrar, pero Míchel era claramente un volante derecho con vocación ofensiva.
I could probably handle ranking a single country with a different position breakdown. I was thinking about my global database and maintenance the consistency of all my rankings.
corrected: FC/SC : add 53.Maranon now FC/SC : 1.Raul Gonzalez Blanco 2.David Villa 3.Telmo Zarra 4.Fernando Torres 5.Emilio Butragueno 6.Isidro Langara 7.Fernando Morientes 8.Quini Enrique Gonzales 9.Alvaro Morata 10.Carlos Santillana 11.Cesar Rodriguez 12.Diego Costa 13.Iago Aspas 14.Gerard Moreno 15.Marcelino Martinez Cao 16..Joselu 17.Aritz Aduriz 18..Juan Antonio Pizzi 19.Julio Salinas 20.Raul Tamudo 21.Dani Ruiz Bazan 22.Alfonso Perez 23.Roberto Soldado 24.Jose Eulogio Garate 25.Manolo Sanchez 26.Paco Alcacer 27.Manuel Fernandez Pahino 28.Francisco Narvaez Kiko 29.Diego Tristan 30..Jesus Satrustegui 31.Mundo Trabanco Suarez 32.Julio Arza 33.Raul Vicente Amarilla 34.Fernando Llorente 35.Ismael Urzaiz 36.Alvaro Negredo 37.Adrian Escudero 38.Rafael Moreno Pichichi 39.Ruben Castro 40.Jose Luis Morales 41.Borja Iglesias 42.Paco Campos 43.Carlos Munoz 44.Ruben Cano 45.Manuel Badenes 46.Jorge Molina 47.Jonathan Soriano 48.Rodrigo Moreno 49.Hipolito Rincon 50.Jose Luis Arteche 51.Javier Ziganda 52.Campanal Garcia 53.Maranon 54.Fernando Ansola 55.Salva Ballesta 56.Jose Antonio Zuldua 57.Borja Mayoral 58.Gaspar Rubio 59.Juan Araujo 60.Daniel Guiza all list updated 31.12.2025
It's a good compilation, but if you don't mind, allow me a comment. Quini: His name was Enrique Castro, but everyone knew him as Quini. Currently, Spanish digital platforms are showing fantastic documentaries about him and a series about his kidnapping. Fernando Torres: He'd hardly be in a top 10. Morata: He'd hardly be in a top 20. Gerard Moreno and, above all, Iago Aspas, ahead of Diego Costa. Joselu: He'd hardly be in a top 40 or 50. Gárate: Much better than several of those ahead of him. Almost certainly top 15. Amarilla: He was Paraguayan. His father was a much better footballer than him, and I seem to recall he played the role of an Indian in some westerns. Arteche: He was a number 7. Gaspar Rubio: A genius. Without a doubt, one of the best strikers in the history of Spanish football. The problem is that he only showed it occasionally due to his lack of professionalism. Zuldúa: He was Zaldúa. Among those missing are Bata, Mariano Martín, Unamuno, Oyarzábal, Alcántara, Elícegui, Lazcano, Goiburu, and Sañudo. Es una buena recopilación, pero, si no te importa, permíteme algún comentario. Quini: su nombre era Enrique Castro, pero todos lo conocían por Quini. Actualmente, plataformas digitales españolas están poniendo fantásticos documentales sobre su figura y una serie sobre su secuestro. Fernando Torres: Difícilmente estaría en un top 10. Morata: Difícilmente estaría en un top 20. Gerard Moreno y, sobre todo, Iago Aspas, por delante de Diego Costa. Joselu: Dícilmente estaría en un top 40 o 50. Gárate: Mucho mejor que varios de los que tiene por delante. Top 15 casi seguro. Amarilla: Era paraguayo. Su padre era mucho mejor futbolista que él y creo recordar que interpretaba el papel de indio en algunos westerns. Arteche: Era un "7". Gaspar Rubio: Un genio. Sin duda, uno de los mejores arietes de la historia del fútbol español. Lo que pasa es que no lo demostró más que de vez en cuando por su falta de profesionalidad. Zuldúa: Era Zaldúa. Faltan Bata, Mariano Martín, Unamuno, Oyarzábal, Alcántara, Elícegui, Lazcano, Goiburu y Sañudo, entre otros.
Thank you very much for your valuable comments. Zaldua, Arteche will be corrected and Goiburu, Sanudo will join. I might place Garate higher in the next edition of the ranking,so as not to change the top 300 list now. It's probably my little mistake. Joselu might I have exaggerated a bit, but oh well, modern players have it easier with me. Order: Gerard Moreno, Iago Aspas, Diego Costa - I'll stick to my opinion. Gaspar Rubio's low ranking is precisely because it's a very long time ago and his career at a high level was very short. Amarilla, with dual citizenship, only played for Spain (U-21), and that determined my choice of country. For me, if someone played only for one NT (youth NT), he will be assigned there. Paulinho Alcantara - with dual citizenship, he played for both countries A, but without World Cup or WC quali (the difference with Kubala), and I assigned him to the Philippines mainly because he was born there, and I don't want to take away the legend from Asia. Bata, Mariano Martin, Elicegui, Lazcano, Unamuno - I considered some of them, but because they were players from the old days, it was decided that they had few or no appearances A team. Which Oyarzabal were you referring to? I have another question – will you create a similar ranking after compiling all the seasons? And another off-topic question. Do you have any sources on the first seasons of the professional Dimayor league in Colombia? I'm looking for information on the player John (Jhon) Lucas, as I had some clue he might have been from the Dominican Republic.
Hello. The truth is, I've read a great deal about Spanish football in its early decades, hence my tendency to include many players from that era. Obviously, you can't compare different periods, but all those he mentioned, and others I may have missed, had a great reputation in Spanish football during their time. If I had more time, I could tell you an incredible anecdote about how Lángara gave up his position to Elícegui in the Spanish national team. Of course, I'm still working on my rankings, but because I use a wealth of sources, I'm progressing slowly, despite dedicating several hours a day to it. What I could do tomorrow, if you'd like, is make my own list of the best players in this position. I couldn't tell you the exact ranking of each one, but I could certainly categorize them into groups of two to five stars. Oyarzabal is Mikel Oyarzabal, a player for Real Sociedad, the newly crowned Copa del Rey champions. Although he's the star of his club, he shines even brighter with the national team. For me, he's not a pure number nine; perhaps he performs better with space, coming from the left or from midfield. Unlike Ferran, who moves better in tight spaces. Regarding Paulino Alcántara, I briefly mentioned him at the time. I consider him 100% Spanish despite being born in the Philippines. His mother was Filipina, but his father was Spanish. He was stationed in the Philippines, which at that time was part of Spain, as were Cuba and Puerto Rico. Two years later came the disaster of 1898, where Spain lost these colonies. Very soon after losing the Philippines, the Alcántara family moved to Barcelona. Paulino would have been about to turn three, or had recently turned three. Hola. Lo cierto es que he leído muchísimo sobre el fútbol español de las primeras décadas y de ahí mi manía de intercalar muchos jugadores de esta época. Evidentemente no se puede comparar diferentes épocas, pero todos los que él mencionó y otros que se me habrán quedado tenían una gran reputación en el fútbol nacional de su período. Podría contarte, si tuviera más tiempo, una increíble anécdota de cómo Lángara le dejó el puesto a Elícegui en la selección española. Por supuesto que sigo con mis rankings, pero como uso una ingeniosa cantidad de fuentes, voy lento, a pesar de dedicarle varias horas diarias. Lo que sí podría hacer mañana, si quieres, es hacer mi propia lista de los mejores jugadores en esta posición. No podría decirte la posición exacta de cada uno, pero sí que los podría distribuir en bloques de dos a cinco estrellas. Oyarzábal es Mikel Oyarzábal, jugador de la Real Sociedad recién proclamada campeona de la Copa del Rey. Aunque es la estrella de su equipo, brilla más con la selección. Para mí no es un nueve puro, tal vez rinde más con espacio, saliendo desde la izquierda o desde la segunda línea. Diferente a Ferrán, que se mueve mejor en espacios cortos. Respecto a Paulino Alcántara, en su momento di unas pequeñas pinceladas. Lo considero español 100 % a pesar de haber nacido en Filipinas. Su madre era filipina, pero su padre español. Estaba destinado en Filipinas, que, en ese momento era parte de España, al igual que Cuba y Puerto Rico. Dos años después, vino el desastre del 98, donde España perdió estas colonias. Muy poco después de perder Filipinas, la familia Alcántara se mudó a Barcelona. Paulino estaría a punto de cumplir tres añitos o los habría cumplido recientemente.
Regarding the Dimayor league, along with the Mexican and Uruguayan leagues, it's difficult to find much information. I'd also like to have more data about them.
Thanks It is not my intention to engage you in urgent works, I will wait patiently for your next works (at the most convenient time for you) especially since I am currently working with other countries (Brazil). I have a different question. Do you think goalkeaper Roberto Jimenez, who played well for Olympiacos, could be ranked around 50th in the GKP?
Roberto Jiménez, I think he would be far from the 50 historical goalkeepers, although he had some very good seasons.
Which Samudo were you referring to?[/QUOTE] Sañudo, delantero del Real Madrid, de los años 20 del siglo pasado.
corrected: GKP 1.Iker Casillas 2.Ricardo Zamora 3.Andoni Zubizarretta 4.Jose Angel Iribar 5.Santiago Canizares 6..David De Gea 7.Luis Arconada 8.Antoni Ramallets 9.Jose Manuel Reina 10.Victor Valdes 11.Andres Palop 12.Francisco Buyo 13.David Raya 14.Abel Resino 15.Diego Lopez 16.Alex Remiro 17.Miguel Reina 18.Unai Simon 19.Juan Carlos Ablanedo 20.Joan Garcia 21.Miguel Angel 22.Ignacio Eizagirre 23.Javier Urruticoechea 24.Juan Acuna 25.Jose Molina 26.Fernando Pacheco 27.Toni Prats 28.Gorka Iraizoz 29.Jose Ramon Esnaola 30.Carmelo Cedrun 31.Kepa Arrizabalaga 32.David Soria 33.Manuel Almunia 34.Vicente Guaita 35.Mariano Garcia Remon 36.Aitor Fernandez 37.Antonio Betancurt 38.Salvador Sadurni 39.Robert Sanchez 40.Kiko Casilla 41.Sergio Asenjo 42.Juan Deusto 43.Alvaro Valles 44.Andoni Cedrun 45.Pedro Jaro 46.Manuel Cervantes 47.Antonio Adan 48.Juanito Alonso 49.Julen Lopetegui 50.Guillermo Eizaguirre 51.Agustin Elduayen 52.Francisco Liano DC 1.Sergio Ramos 2.Carles Puyol 3.Gerard Pique 4.Migueli Bianquetti 5.Antonio Maceda 6.Manuel Sanchis Hontiyuelo 7.Jesus Garay 8.Miguel Angel Nadal 9.Jacinto Quincoces 10.Andoni Goikoetxea 11.Ferran Olivella 12.Jose Ramon Alexanko 13.Raul Albiol 14.Inigo Martinez 15.Aymeric Laporte 16.Miguel Tendillo 17.Ivan Helguera 18.Abelardo Fernandez 19.Carlos Marchena 20.Robin Le Normand 21.Rafael Alkorta 22.Genar Andrinua 23.Gallego Rodriguez 24.Marcelino Campanal 25.Tonono Morena 26.Gustau Biosca 27.Marc Bartra 28.Antonio Alvarez 29.Pau Torres 30.Goyo Benito 31.Ivan Campo 32.Pau Cubarsi 33.Juan Carlos Arteche 34.Eric Garcia 35.Nacho Fernandez 36.Roberto Solozabal 37.Fernando Giner 38.Ciriaco Errasti 39.Jose Parra 40.Aitor Karanka 41.Mario Hermoso 42.Alfonso Aparicio 43.Pablo Orbaiz 44.Roberto Rios 45.Inaxio Cortabarria 46.Juanito Herrera 47.Javi Navarro 48.Pedro Vallana 49.Francisco Jemez 50.Alberto Gorriz 51.David Garcia 52.Antonio Olmo FB 1.Jordi Alba 2.Jose Antonio Camacho 3.Joan Segarra 4.Rafael Gordillo 5.Dani Carvajal 6.Sergi Barjuan 7.Alejandro Grimaldo 8.Juanfran Torres 9.Cesar Azpilicueta 10.Joan Capdevila 11.Michel Salgado 12.Marc Cucurella 13.Marcos Llorente 14.Albert Ferrer 15.Feliciano Rivilla 16.Manuel Sanchis Martinez 17.Manuel Pablo 18.Jon Andoni Goikoetxea 19.Marcos Alonso Mendoza 20.Andoni Iraola 21.Pedro Porro 22.Miguel Chendo 23.Rafael Lesmes 24.Tomas Renones 25.Mariano Pernia 26.Pachin 27.Hector Bellerin 28.Marcelino Perez 29.Angelino 30.Alvaro Arbeloa 31.Isacio Calleja 32.Jose Luis Gaya 33.Alberto Belsue 34.Asier Del Horno 35.Juan Sol 36.Nacho Monreal 37.Julio Alberto 38.Juan Bernat 39.Eladio 40.Pedro De Felipe 41.Severino Reija 42.Gabriel Alonso 43.Oscer de Marcos 44.Aitor Larrazabal 45.Curro Torres 46.Juan Carlos Aguilera 47.Marquitos 48.Joaquim Rife 49.Sergio Reguillon 50.Quique Sanchez Flores 51.Manolo Jimenez 52.Diego Rico 53.Coke 54.Alvaro Carreras 55.Jose Carrete 56.Miguel Soler 57.Javi Galan 58.Carlos Martinez 59.Alejandro Balde 60.Luis Lopez Rekarte 61.Santiago Urquiaga 62 Gerardo Miranda 63.Cundi 64.Alberto Moreno 65.Francisco Delgado Melo 66.Juan Carlos Moreno 67.Aleix Vidal 68.Isidoro San Jose DMC/MC 1.Xavi Hernandez 2.Sergio Busquets 3.Fernando Hierro 4.Rodri Hernandez Cascante 5.Jose Pirri 6.Cesc Fabregas 7.Xabi Alonso 8.Josep Guardiola 9.Pedri 10.Thiago Alcantara 11.Donato Gama Da Silva 12.Marcos Senna 13.Rafael Martin Vazquez 14.Victor Munoz 15.Ignacio Zoco 16.Mikel Merino 17.Fabian Ruiz 18.Gabi Arenas 19.Miguel Munoz 20.Mikel Arteta 21.Ruben Baraja 22.Saul Niguez 23.Martin Zubimendi 24.Javi Martinez 25.Dani Parejo 26.Aleix Garcia 27.Borja Valero 28.Eusebio Sacristan 29.Guillermo Amor 30.Asier Illarramendi 31.Gavi 32.Vicente Engonga 33.Angel Zubieta 34.Jose Pep Claramunt 35.David Albelda 36.Jesus Maria Zamora 37.Adelardo 38.Sergi Roberto 39.Marti Verges 40.Jose Zarraga 41.Ander Herrera 42.Jon Andoni Larranaga 43.Quique Setien 44.Antonio Puchades 45.Roberto Fernandez 46.Jesus Glaria 47.Chus Pereda 48.Josep Fuste 49.Mariano Gonzalvo 50.Joaquin Alonso 51.Mauri 52.Jose Maria Maguregui 53.Leonardo Cilaurren 54.Luis Milla Aspas 55.Ramon Caldere 56.Jose Maria Belauste 57.Brais Mendez 58.Vicente Iborra 59.Ricardo Gallego 60.Vicente del Bosque 61.Nico Gonzalez 62. Jose Luis Violeta 63.Paquito 64.Perico Alonso 65.Bruno Soriano 66.Francisco Lopez 67.Carlos Soler 68.Joan Jordan 69.Dani Ceballos 70.Francisco Javier Farinos 71.Patxi Gamborena 72.Eugenio Leal 73.Benat Etxeberria 74.Luis Manzanares Milla 75.Juan Guedes 76.Oriol Romeu 77.Gerard Lopez 78.Nayim 79.Severiano Goiburu MR/ML/WING 1.Andres Iniesta 2.Francisco Gento 3.David Silva 4.Amancio Amaro 5.Lamine Yamal 6.Estanislao Basora 7.Miguel Gonzalez Michel 8.Luis Enrique 9.Koke Merrodio 10.Juanito Gomez 11.Nico Williams 12.Jesus Navas 13.Mikel Oyarzabal 14.Joaquin Sanchez Rodriguez 15.Pedro Rodriguez 16.Agustin Piru Gainza 17.Ferran Torres 18.Gaizka Mendieta 19.Carlos Rexach 20.Jose Luis Caminero 21.Jose Callejon 22.Joseba Etxeberria 23.Alex Baena 24.Joaquin Peiro 25.Fran Gonzalez 26.Lucas Vazquez 27.Roberto Lopez Ufarte 28.Aitor Beguiristain 29.Nolito Duran 30.Vicente Rodriguez 31.Jose Emiliano Amavisca 32.Luis Garcia Sanz 33.Francisco Carrasco 34.Carlos Lapetra 35.Guillermo Gorostiza 36.Jose Antonio Reyes 37.Epi Fernandez 38.Enrique Collar 39.Javier De Pedro 40.Ayoze Perez 41.Suso 42.Iker Muniain 43.Manuel Sarabia 44.Jose Luis Arteche 45.Miguel Gonzalez 46.Albert Luque 47.Ignacio Churruca 48.Justo Tejada 49.Pablo Fornals 50.Jose Rojo 51.Enrique Saura 52.Victor Sanchez del Amo 53.Vitolo 54.Albert Riera 55.Sergio Garcia 56.Pedro Leon 57.Gerard Deulofeu 58.Pablo Hernandez 59.Markel Susaeta 60.Miguel Angel Angulo 61.Vicente Piera 62.Fran Yeste 63.Adama Traore AMC 1.Luis Suarez Miramontes 2.Ladislao Kubala 3.Luis Aragones 4.Isco Alarcon 5.Juan Lozano 6.Jose Mari Bakero 7.Josep Samitier 8.Juan Mata 9.Dani Olmo 10.Juan Carlos Valeron 11.Santi Cazorla 12.Luis del Sol 13.Hector Rial 14.Juan Manuel Asensi 15.Guti Hernandez 16.Julen Guerrero 17.Juan Senor 18.Fernando Gomez 19.Luis Regueiro 20.Daniel Solsona 21.Manuel Velazquez 22.Raul Garcia Escudero 23.Miguel Pardeza 24.Xabi Prieto 25.Venancio Garcia 26.Pablo Sarabia 27.Vicente Guillot 28.Luis Molowny 29.Luis Alberto 30.Sergio Canales 31.Julio Cardenosa 32.Jose Luis Panizo 33.German Devora 34.Marco Asensio 35.Fermin Lopez 36.Ivan De La Pena 37.Eloy Olaya 38.Marcial Pina 39.Javier Irureta 40.Felipe Minambres 41.Silvestre Igoa 42.Iraragorri 43.Chirri Agirrizabala 44.Michu 45.Pedro Munitis 46.Herrerita Bueno 47.Jose Mari Poyon 48.Felix Sesumaga FC/SC 1.Raul Gonzalez Blanco 2.David Villa 3.Telmo Zarra 4.Fernando Torres 5.Emilio Butragueno 6.Isidro Langara 7.Fernando Morientes 8.Quini Enrique Gonzales 9.Alvaro Morata 10.Carlos Santillana 11.Cesar Rodriguez 12.Diego Costa 13.Iago Aspas 14.Gerard Moreno 15.Marcelino Martinez Cao 16.Joselu 17.Aritz Aduriz 18.Juan Antonio Pizzi 19.Julio Salinas 20.Raul Tamudo 21.Dani Ruiz Bazan 22.Alfonso Perez 23.Roberto Soldado 24.Jose Eulogio Garate 25.Manolo Sanchez 26.Paco Alcacer 27.Manuel Fernandez Pahino 28.Francisco Narvaez Kiko 29.Diego Tristan 30.Jesus Satrustegui 31.Mundo Trabanco Suarez 32.Julio Arza 33.Raul Vicente Amarilla 34.Fernando Llorente 35.Ismael Urzaiz 36.Alvaro Negredo 37.Adrian Escudero 38.Rafael Moreno Pichichi 39.Ruben Castro 40.Jose Luis Morales 41.Borja Iglesias 42.Paco Campos 43.Carlos Munoz 44.Ruben Cano 45.Manuel Badenes 46.Jorge Molina 47.Jonathan Soriano 48.Rodrigo Moreno 49.Hipolito Rincon 50.Javier Ziganda 51.Campanal Garcia 52.Maranon 53.Fernando Ansola 54.Salva Ballesta 55.Jose Antonio Zaldua 56.Borja Mayoral 57.Gaspar Rubio 58.Juan Araujo 59.Daniel Guiza 60.Julio Elicegui 61.Mariano Martin TOP 300 - now yet no changes