Juve gonna Juve... (Not even sure this is true, but someone is putting the press pressure on.) https://football-italia.net/chiesa-mckennie-szczesny-scrubbed-juventus/ And... https://theboyhotspur.com/tottenham-linked-with-summer-move-for-25-year-old-serie-a-midfielder/
If we’re going to bring that up then we have to bring up his two missed sitters. One was just feet from the wide open goal and he somehow put it over the top.
Caviglia is being strongly linked with a permanent move to Venezia, in the past Juve has removed players that were sent out on loan as well from the store. The store also currently has NextGen players that will not be with the first team come the start of the season.
The poster also forgot that the last batch of games he was playing with a slightly bum shoulder ... who knows how much better he would have done if fully healthy. A full season is a grind and he had a very good one.
the funny thing about the math of depreciation (as anyone who enjoys taxes knows) is that it just does not care about publicity ... it just cares about time.
does anyone care? actually the person that should care about this is Tim Weah. I am confident that this is not lost on him ... that Juve can turn on a dime and treat players like a piece of meat. What has Wes done for Juve other than bust his ass to perform?
Are you kidding? Top flight soccer is ruthless and the new coach has put Weah starting at wing! I'm sure he feels sorry that Wes is leaving but he is supposed to resent the new coach who popped him into the starting 11?
It's not a big deal, esp for players in active negotiation. Who wants a fan coming back in 2 weeks with a brand new jersey complaining the players not even there any more. But what is always kind of interesting is what gets run out as "news." Stuff like this sometimes suggests the public pressure is continuing for those players.
My comment was more how ridiculous that it's "news" from these sites. This stuff always happens and they report on it like it's breaking news.
Yeah. It's always smart to consider why something is being pushed out as "news" that is regular operating procedure. Sometimes it's just clickbait, sometimes it's a player's reps trying to send a signal and sometimes it's a club trying to send a signal. In footie it's rarely "smart reporter digging up something interesting on their own" - especially this time of year.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have scored more goals, just objecting to the idea that his assists shouldn't count so much because they're actually above xA, so not really his...if you're going to make the (fair) argument that underperforming on expected goals is bad, it seems a little disingenuous to then say overperforming expected assists is also bad. Maybe Wes just knows his teammates and gets them the ball in THEIR danger area, not the modal danger area.
I like the Tottenham rumor - if only because it would give me a reason to read more about Ange. ...I don't actually know enough about them to even know who Wes would be competing against for PT.
The two articles that mention Spurs have new-ish datelines but the info in them seems really stale, so I'm not too convinced there's any real fire there. The suggestion is he replaced PE Hojbjerg, fwiw, and that he can be gotten on the cheap. I wouldn't buy season tix just yet, tho.
It's also worth noting that most players outperform xA. Pulisic had one more assist than Mckennie, and his xA for the season was 4.5. Of the top 10 assist providers in Serie A (as ranked on FbRef), only one player had a positive number for A-xA: Rafa Leao, who provided 9 assists and had an xA of 9.1. You can try and argue that Mckennie's A-xA value is outside of the norm, but when I eyeball the data, he doesn't look wildly outside the norm... going back to FbRef's list of top 10 assist providers this season, 4 players have A-xA values higher than Weston... I think it's an inherent problem with the xA stat: you're observing an event that requires 2 actors (assist provider and goal scorer), then designing a model to assign a probability that only evaluates the actions of one of those actors.
https://www.jmania.it/incredibile-m...ale-storica-della-juve-pronta-la-colonia-usa/ McKennie to Milan? Sure, F--- it, who cares? Meanwhile, the more reputable outlets are still pushing the idea that Mckennie and Arthur will go to Fiorintina in a swap deal for Nico Gonzalez. This seems comical to me, because... what, does Fiorintina plan on playing a 4-7-0?? Also, there's no way Fiorintina will be able to pay Arthur anything close to what his remaining year at Juve is valued at. Also also... all the Fiorintina journos keep saying that they will only take cash for Gonzalez. IDK man, it just doesn't feel like a credible move? But the rumor mill is churning, so we shall see.
At the end of the day, tho, sometimes the trees obscure the forest. A more panoramic view shows a player who performed well enough to be a regular starter on a top-3 Serie A team, over-perform (to many/most observers) expectations, and do enough to be subject of interest/offers from Villa, Florence, Everton and even resigning at Juve. The issue is not perception of quality, it's perception of value. Juve fell apart in spring 2024. I think they hit 1st a one point right after New Years even, then just tanked. Had the season gone the other way - a poor start and strong finish - a number of Juve players, and perhaps even the coach, might still be in contract. Add to that a 150 - 200 mill hole in the budget, Juve's "win it all" ambitions and their desire to get some money for Wes, plus his own ambitions and financial desires, and you get a sticky transfer situation. Wes obviously didn't do enough to attract CP-level excitement, but he's also clearly enough in demand that either he and Juve find a number that makes sense to another team or he writes his own ticket in January.
Oh please this is getting ridiculous. We can go through any player's season and cherry-pick stuff like this. I agree that Wes should have had more goal production last year, but we can all agree that no one really did that well on the offensive end last season. Juve as a whole struggled with creating scoring chances and goals due to Allegri's system. Wes's performance and stats in a vacuum weren't all that great, but relative to his competition on the team he did very well. It's unfortunate that from Juve's and far too many of their supporters' perspectives, Wes is just viewed as a bumbling fat American. The guy can play and his performances back that up and are deserving of a move to a solid team, not the MLS and not Turkey...
I was pointing out the ridiculousness of the post I was quoting. I think Wes was one of the best players on Juve last year. I'd like to see him remain with the club. Having said that, Wes did really well with assists, but Juve had defenders that scored 4, 3 and 3 goals during the season. His goal output was abysmal.
not at all (resent the new coach) .... but simply understand that when Juve releases public statements about "no longer in plans" and "surplus" and "remove apparel from team store" etc. - all in an effort to subtly and publicly force someone out (and someone who has aptly been focused on the best results for Juve) ... to simply understand that SEPARATE from the manager - the club can turn on a dime and go into full on ruthless ejection mode. It is clear that Juve want Wes to accept a much lower salary from any new club - in order to keep the transfer fee higher in their own interests. Tim needs to learn so that when Juve eject him - that he needs to watch out for his own interests.
‼️ Regardless of the situation involving Nico Gonzalez with Juventus, Weston McKennie is a player of interest to Fiorentina.In the coming days, there will be an opportunity to discuss and explore the situation further.@DiMarzio | #Juventus pic.twitter.com/Fmjbp4wwCe— Bianconeri Zone (@BianconeriZone) August 6, 2024
I have to ask. Has this ever been confirmed or discussed publicly by anyone that is actually a reputable football agent or a player? Because it makes zero sense for a player to hire representation in a transaction when that representative is financially conflicted in that same transaction…and stands to benefit at the expense of the player. The players interests are to minimize the transfer fee and maximize the salary.