Spaghetti Weston: McKennie at Juventus

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  1. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    I think he's gone.

    Nowhere I have read indicates that singing McKennie is a priority.
     
  2. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We can only guess from his past coaching but if he did that same stuff those who have criticized Berhalter fro his system (that has changed over time) will be stunned by the rigidity Marsch employs. I think it even showed up in his player acquisitions at Leeds where he really needed to shore up the defense but spent a fortune on Aaronson and got McKennie loaned in. Boring as it may be the US was leaking goals before Berhalter and he cleaned that up. Sure at the expense of offense but just look at the boring England and France teams and they've made that same decision.
     
  3. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    La Gazetta dello Sport says Juventus are interested in Douglas Luiz and that Aston Villa are interested in McKennie, so there could be a deal in the works involving the two players, especially since Juve haven't been able to reach an agreement with McKennie over a salary increase.
     
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  4. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
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    In a story dated four days ago Fox sports reported interest from Villa, Everton and Newcastle.
     
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  5. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I’d love to see him at Villa if he plays. He is plenty durable enough to withstand the periodic hacking that is tolerated at as a manly English virtue. And Emery seems to have Villa on a very exciting trajectory. I do worry that managers sometimes don’t know what to make of him. In Italy he sort of forced his way into the lineups over and over because … results. But for managers who start with a series of specialists at each position (in their minds) may not see the full value he brings.
     
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  6. ChicagoVT

    ChicagoVT Member

    United States
    Jun 26, 2019
    Where is Juve getting money for Douglas Luiz?... lol... not from a Mckennie sale... not even close

    Juve actually gets a lot of value for Mckennie based on what they pay him relative to his production on the field. But then again, Juve's financial literacy has proven to be a joke time and time again. They will have to over pay for Douglas Luiz and while he may be better than Mckennie it will handcuff them in other areas.

    Also, a lot of general disrespect towards Mckennie from a lot of Juve's fans. The general discourse over Wes seems negative when he has been an above-average to good player for them. I would love to see him stay at Juve and see how he performs under a different manager with a more exciting brand of football.
     
  7. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
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    Oct 16, 2017
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  8. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    They're still struggling to retain Rabiot! Allegedly, their current offer is "2 years, same salary, but you get to be captain".

    I wouldn't be surprised if they renew Rabiot, but it still funny that the media are like "who will rich Juve splash for next"???
     
  9. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    so they are offering a promotion without a pay raise? who wants that?
     
  10. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    There is this brand new thing called video. I strongly suspect of the manager supports getting Weston, they know how he plays.
     
  11. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    That's the question on everyone's mind. I mean, €18m + bonuses over 2 years ain't chump-change, but it's also not top of the food chain at Juve (that would be Vlahovic, who reportedly has a salary bump built into his current contract that will take him to €12m next season). The rumor is that Rabiot's infamous agent-mom wants him to be earning at least as much as Vlahovic to stay at Juve, with either Inter or ManU waiting in the wings should his contract expire on July 1... I don't buy that Inter will be in a position to give him a massive multi-year contract (they're still under a lot of debt), but I can absolutely see ManU meeting the €12m-per-year demand given that he'd be arriving as a free agent.
     
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  12. Mt Stone@

    Mt Stone@ Member

    Apr 30, 2016
    USA
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Would weston get much pt?? Prolly, not playing over Douglas Luiz, Tielemans, or McGinn who is the club captain. Also competing with Boubacar Kamara.
     
  13. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Either Luiz is pushing for a move and/or one of the bigger clubs is making them an offer they can't refuse (according to the British tabloids, that is Arsenal) OR Tuttosport is just laundering the swap story and making it slightly more believable by simply removing the "swap" part
     
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  14. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
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    DC United
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    United States
    He also probably wasn't going to play over anyone at Juve 4 years ago...
     
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  15. ChicagoVT

    ChicagoVT Member

    United States
    Jun 26, 2019
    I could see him getting time over Tielemans. Tielemans is a good player but so is Wes. I'd say they are at a very similar level.
     
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  16. Higher Learning

    Jul 1, 2009
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Bogert has spoken
     
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  17. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
    Club:
    Brooklyn Knights
    If they can't afford, Weston, Dusan and Rabiot (regardless of how useful he is) it's time to jump ship for Weston. A good but not great Juve side could be in for more trouble with next year's match congestion and next year's depleted roster. The remaining players are likely to be miserable and have the fans blame them instead of ownership.
     
  18. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ireland Republic
    Personally, I think he has all the tools to succeed in the EPL but a) he's not ready for it yet and b) it's not as if a spell in Serie A isn't going to help him develop the tactical nous to succeed when/if he does go there.
     
  19. ChicagoVT

    ChicagoVT Member

    United States
    Jun 26, 2019
    I'm not sure I understand how Juve thinks they can get more bang for their buck than Weston. Relative to his output they don't pay him very much and he is so versatile. Meanwhile, they are going to overpay for someone else by spending on a transfer fee and higher salary. I understand getting a high salary like Rabiot off the books but not sure I understand the financial sense of getting rid of Weston. Obviously, a huge transfer fee for Weston changes things, but I can't see that really happening.
     
  20. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    I saw one of the Italian tabloids say something like "Juventus is still pursuing the swap deal for Douglas Luiz but his €6.5m/year salary demand is a roadblock", and it really spells out how desperate the media is to run with ANY transfer rumor before thinking about it for half a second. Ignoring the difference in valuations for a second, if Juve's directive from the owners is to reduce spending, in what world would you assume that you could get a PL player to take a paycut while they're in their prime years?

    Meanwhile, in the realm of realistic transfer rumors at Juve:
     
  21. ChicagoVT

    ChicagoVT Member

    United States
    Jun 26, 2019
    I feel like most Juve fans hold Chiesa in way too high regard and put him in the 60-70 million plus range, which considering his production and major injury history is ridiculous. 35/40 sounds about right. I've been reading several Juve boards and Chiesa always seems to get the Allegri excuse as to why he wasn't as productive as he should. Wes never gets that excuse.
     
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  22. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Wes gets the opposite of that excuse: apparently, Allegri was some sort of magician who made Wes perform above his abilities.
     
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  23. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
    Club:
    Brooklyn Knights
    It's a catch 22 as he's one of their best values, but because he's one of their best values, he's one of their highest transfer fee rated players.

    I think they believe they can replace him with cheaper italian options, either in house or in country. We'll see!
     
  24. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    By all accounts, Weston has been trying to renegotiate his salary with Juve to be paid what he's worth. So the "they don't pay him very much" part of this calculus might have to change for them to convince Wes to stay past next season. And if they can't meet his demands, then they risk losing him on a free, which would be a huge opportunity cost depending on what another team is willing to pay for him right now.
     
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  25. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree with that. From what I saw, you put him in a functional team with a role he is suited for, and he will perform. Without that almost no player will do well. He'll be 26 at the start of the season, after 3 full seasons in the BL, 2.5 in Serie A, .5 in the EPL and over 50 Senior national team games, if he's not ready now he never will be.

    Also, A) Just because the EPL spends a lot, let's not think every player in the league is the completely finished product and B) Weston is already pretty finished and at a pretty high level. How much tactical acumen will he add in his 4th Serie A season that he hasn't already picked up?.
     
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