South American Elections.

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  1. ceezmad

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    Well really an article about Chile, but I figure in the future we could include other countries here.

    But


    Chile inequality despite their economic success will mean Michelle Bachelet elected to another term in office.
     
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    You'd think that the news would have reached here before now. Aren't planeloads of fresh Chilean flowers and produce flown in daily? Some must be wrapped in local newspapers.
     
  4. ceezmad

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    @argentine soccer fan @BocaFan @atomicbloke @Moishe

    http://www.economist.com/news/leade...nments-one-countrys-100-years-decline-parable


    You mofos are going to love this line.

    But you are going to hate this one.

     
  5. argentine soccer fan

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    Well...[modest smile]....I can only speak for myself.
     
  6. roby

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    I'm sure the other three guys are also lovely! :cautious:
     
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    Here there and everywhere.
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    I do my best to be modest. I just don't find it fair to flaunt how much more handsome I am than most of if not all of you.:cool:

    I had to check the link to make sure that article really wasn't from the Onion based off that horseshit comment about burning the best meat in the world.
     
  8. M

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    It's behind their paywall, but the accompanying in-depth article on Argentina's relative economic decline over the last century is well worth a read.
     
  9. ceezmad

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    If you sign up (I usually do not) you can read a few articles per week for free.
     
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    In Brazil, a former Green (running for the socialist party) looks to be set to advance to the second round, and may actually pull of a victory in the run off election.


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    http://online.wsj.com/articles/mari...f-in-brazils-presidential-election-1409884205


    She would have issues, she has a lot of support from the far left, but she is a devout evangelical, her stands on gay marriage (opposes it) is one of the things her left coalition could fall apart under.
     
  11. argentine soccer fan

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    Primary presidential elections in Argentina today

    http://buenosairesherald.com/articl...eir-ballots-to-elect-presidential-candidates-

    The three main candidates who are expected to be a factor

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    The Front Runner: Daniel Scioli - Frente para la Victoria (FPR)

    A former vice president and currently governor of the province of Buenos Aires, Scioli is running unopposed as the candidate for the FPR, an alliance party formed by leftist peronists and other leftist groups, originally established in 2003 to elect Nestor Kirchner and then his wife Cristina Fernandez.

    While the party's autocratic style ensured that he'd have no competition for the nomination, Scioli has had to do a fine balancing act between on the one hand pleasing the large number of skeptical hard core leftists who support Cristina and mistrust his more moderate credentials, while on the other hand trying to attract enough moderate Peronists and independents to win the election. He is expected to gradually take on reforming some of the most radical anti-business policies of Fernandez (free up the markets, lift restrictions on imports and exports, lift restriction on foreign currencies etc) while continuing with the generous welfare programs and poor-friendly socialist policies.


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    The Main Challenger: Mauricio Macri - Cambiemos

    "Cambiemos" (In English "let's change") is an alliance of anti-Kirchner parties that range from moderate leftist to right wing. Most notable, Macri's PRO, Ernesto Sanz's UCR, and Elisa Carrio's CC. Macri is expected to win, but he needs to win by a large margin to present himself as the clear anti-Kirchner candidate and consolidate to himself the opposition votes. A strong showing by Sanz or Carrió would be an indication that the opposition remains divided and will create problems for Macri in the general election.

    Macri, the major of the city of Buenos Aires and former president of Boca Juniors, is considered right of center in Argentina. (Although the center in Argentina is certainly to the left of center in the US). Macri plans to quickly undo some of Fernandez most controversial policies. He would liberalize the heavy state control over the economy. He would immediately get rid of currency controls and restrictions on grain exports and would move to free up the markets in the short term. He would try to negotiate a deal with international bond holders who've been embroiled in an ugly battle with Fernandez over defaults. Nevertheless he has moved towards the center in an attempt to attract moderates and independents, and he now claims to agree with some of the more popular policies of the Kirchners, such as the nationalization (state takeover) of Aerolineas Argentinas, the largest Argentine Airlines which was struggling in the private sector.


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    The spoiler: Sergio Massa - Unidos por una Nueva Alternativa (UNA).

    Massa is expected to become the candidate for the UNA (in English "United for a New Alternative). He is a former member of the House of Representatives and Chief of Cabinet, a charismatic former close Kirchner ally who broke ranks not so much over ideology but over personal differences. Ugly accusations of corruption and criminal conduct between Massa and the officialism could help the opposition, which hopes that Massa takes votes away from Scioli. While his party has hurt Cristina's party in the last midterms, Massa's popularity appears to have peaked and has been declining, and it would be a surprise if he becomes a big factor.

    There are several other parties, from the far right to the center to the far left, who are not expected to have a chance but will take some votes away from the main candidates and will help analysts reflect on the mood of the nation.

    The key number here is 45 percent. That is the percentage of votes that a presidential candidate would need to win in the October general elections to avoid a runoff with the second place finisher. If Scioli can get close to 45 percent of all ballots cast today, it would be a strong sign that he is poised to win the presidency in October.
     
  12. ceezmad

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    Yo, I hear is mandatory, so we need to wait until 100% of all Argentina people voted?

    ;)
     
  13. argentine soccer fan

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    Yeah, in Argentina voting is not a right, it's a duty. In addition, elections are on weekends and most economic activity -even futbol- is suspended, to make it easy for people to vote.

    But it's never 100 percent turnout, it usually hovers around 80 percent. Many people do vote but complain about it, saying that they should have the right not to vote, because all candidates suck. Some vote in blank, as a form of protest. And there are always going to be some people who don't show up even though they are required to do so as citizens. (Think, in the US, of people not showing up for jury duty, as an equivalent example.)
     
  14. argentine soccer fan

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    Here are the results of the primary: (percentages are based on the total number of ballots cast)

    FPR 36.6% (Scioli 36.6%)
    Cambiemos 31.3% (Macri 25%, Sanz 3.8%, Carrió 2.5%
    UNA 21.5% (Massa 12.7%, De la Sota 8.8%

    This puts Scioli as the front runner, but it is not the result he was hoping for. If things don't change by October, the opposition will get a chance at a ballotage (2nd round). Cambiemos was close enough to challenge, and Macri got the majority of their votes, which means the oposition is uniting behind him. While Massa has to be disappointed, UNA got enough votes to remain a factor in the general elections.

    Quotes:

    Scioli: Aunque buscaron sembrar el odio, el pueblo votó a favor de este projecto.
    (Even though they tried to sow hatred, the people voted in favor of this project)

    Macri: Hoy se consolida una alternativa.
    (Today an alternative is consolidating)
     
  15. ceezmad

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    So Kirchner 2nd choice in her party won the primary.

    The economist quotes a pol that has Macri winning the overall election.

    But they say, regardless of who wins, there won't be much change.

    Read more at http://www.economist.com/news/ameri...-president-scion-and-heir#BxF4aJ6KDreiyjmx.99
     
  16. ceezmad

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    BTW, bad weather may have caused people to miss out on their obligation to vote.

    http://en.mercopress.com/2015/08/10...e-expectations-to-october-25-first-round-vote
     
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  18. argentine soccer fan

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    The Argentine general election for dummies, courtesy of Yahoo

    http://news.yahoo.com/factbox-argentinas-presidential-candidates-policies-171251974--business.html

    On a personal note, I went to high school with Pepe Scioli, the younger brother of Daniel Scioli, the Peronist candidate for president. He is very much involved in the campaign and will likely get a high post in government if his brother wins.

    Pepe was a year ahead of me and I remember him as a very popular kid, smooth with the girls and good at sports. He was also notorious at school because while he was in high school his father's retail store took off and they got rich. I remember they used to have commercials on TV all the time featuring young hot looking female models whispering in a sexy voice "se compra en Scioli" (you can buy it at Scioli). So, we used to make fun of him with that.

    When I was around 13/14 years old, Pepe was kidnapped by the leftist guerrilla group "Montoneros", and they held him for some time. It was quite traumatic at our high school -he was kidnapped at the school, he was missing from school for several weeks, there were rumors that he'd been killed, and his name was all over the news. Eventually his family payed a significant ransom and he was freed, and came back to school.

    I haven't talked to him since high school. I do follow his page on FB, even though it's very political and I'm not a Peronist. At one point he had distanced himself from Kirchner and his brother, but now he is very much behind him as he runs for president.
     
  19. argentine soccer fan

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  20. ceezmad

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    Who ever takes over is going to have to bite this shit sandwich.

    http://www.economist.com/news/ameri...er-economic-policies-perhaps-end-kirchnerismo
     
  21. argentine soccer fan

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    Shit sandwich or not, being president of Argentina does pay well.
     
  22. argentine soccer fan

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    My dear Argentina,

    Today I am thinking of you as we elect a new president. I hope and pray that the winner will be someone who loves you as much as I do, someone who will strive to make you a better place.
     
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  23. argentine soccer fan

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    With 74 percent of the votes counted:

    Mauricio Macri: 35.73 %
    Daniel Scioli: 35.17 %
    Sergio Massa: 21.19 %

    This is a very surprising result. Even if Scioli ends up pulling ahead, the ballotage (2nd round) between Scioli and Macri is garanteed.

    http://www.clarin.com/
     
  24. argentine soccer fan

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    Tonight there will be a key debate between Scioli and Macri. Scioli had refused to debate his opponents before the original election, back when he was the frontrunner. But after the surprising results that left him in a close call with Macri, he agreed to a debate before the second round election that will take place next Sunday.

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    The format is interesting. There will be four main topics covered, one devoted to economy and social development, another to security and human rights, another focused on education and the fourth based on strengthening democracy.

    After each question, a candidate has two minutes to answer. Then his opponent can take up to a minute to ask him a question, he has a minute to answer, his opponent has a minute to ask a follow up question, and then there's a one minute final response. Then the other candidate has to answer the same question and the process is repeated.

    http://buenosairesherald.com/article/203009/scioli-seeks-to-turn-the-tables-with-debate
     
  25. argentine soccer fan

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    Final Rallies before the election.

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    Daniel Scioli in the Buenos Aires suburb of La Matanza

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    Mauricio Macri in the northern province of Jujuy
     

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