Somewhat MLS related: Blue Jackets in financial trouble

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by CACuzcatlan, Nov 6, 2009.

  1. CACuzcatlan

    CACuzcatlan Member

    Jun 11, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    The Crew could field an indoor team?
     
  3. CACuzcatlan

    CACuzcatlan Member

    Jun 11, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was thinking more along the lines of what happened in Seattle with the Sonics leaving. Maybe losing the hockey team will bring more people to Crew Stadium.
     
  4. RaveGreen

    RaveGreen Member

    Seattle Sounders FC
    Apr 6, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
  5. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Crew also can lose money and relocate?
     
  6. soccermaul

    soccermaul Red Card

    May 28, 2009
    On the Bus..
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with you and I don't know why..
     
  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    If Ohio State left it could have an effect :)
     
  8. soccermaul

    soccermaul Red Card

    May 28, 2009
    On the Bus..
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a low blow pal.. The crowds were awesome last night.
     
  9. soccermaul

    soccermaul Red Card

    May 28, 2009
    On the Bus..
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To Dallas or as the second team and be called FCD2.This way they can fill the stadium, or may be not.
     
  10. Mullet&Talon

    Mullet&Talon New Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From my couch, the stadium looked half full. The Supporters were definitely out in force but that was only a portion of the stands.
     
  11. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The NHL was foolish to put teams in Sunbelt cities like this.
     
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  12. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    according to MLSNet

    Referee: Baldomero Toledo
    Referee's Assistants: Thomas Supple; Joe Fletcher
    4th Official: Silviu Petrescu
    Time of Game: 90:00
    Weather: Clear -and- 44 degrees
    Attendance: 10,109

    The night before Blue Jackets were home and drew 13,401


    Seems like he was dead on.
     
  13. Stupid_American

    Stupid_American Member+

    Jan 8, 2003
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think soccermaul was trying to say the crowd was great; not necessarily that the attendance was great. It's a distinction worth making. And on that point, I think soccermaul is correct.
     
  14. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Sunbelt? Ohio?
     
  15. MUTINYFAN

    MUTINYFAN Member

    Apr 18, 1999
    Orlando
    Great crowd for the Crew. Due to the midweek game and weather, 10K is not so bad. Going back on topic, why are the Bluejackets losing so much money?
     
  16. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A building 45% full is still a building 45% full. Sure, Nordecke was great and full. That's 1 or 2 thousand fans. But outside of that, does anyone really care? As an owner, how's your bottom line if you are averaging 65% capacity? As a league, how long can you let attendance strugglers continue to burden the league by creating an impression that people don't care about your sport at it's highest level in this country? There were gaping section of yellow benches on TV.
     
  17. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The batteries in your sarcasm detector need to be replaced.
     
  18. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to the article, they are playing in a privately financed stadium and paying rent directly to the Nationwide insurance group. This creates the need for a hockey specific stadium :D:p
     
  19. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Heh, the funny thing is that you are right. The NHL and Bettman were so blindly desperate to get into any market and accept any expansion money that they get into situations like this. The NBA also have a lot of problem teams as well, with the big problem being arena leases. There certainly is a lesson for MLS into getting into markets where they don't own their own stadium.
     
  20. Stupid_American

    Stupid_American Member+

    Jan 8, 2003
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're talking past each other.

    All I'm saying is that the people who WERE there at Crew Stadium were enthusiastic and created an appealing atmosphere considering the size of the crowd. I don't think anyone is saying we should be satisfied or pleased with a playoff match that only draws 10K. I'm pretty sure I'm just saying that those 10K cared about the outcome, and it showed.
     
  21. soccermaul

    soccermaul Red Card

    May 28, 2009
    On the Bus..
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the stadium was covered or an indoor type of a venue, they could have had more people in the stadium. It was the coldest night last nigh in Ohio.
     
  22. triplet1

    triplet1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 25, 2006
    I've always assumed that there are not a lot of tickets distributed for playoff games, so announced attendance is closer to paid attendance and (because of the short time between purchase and use) actual attendance. It explains why people think playoff crowds look bigger than crowds announced during the regular season -- unused tickets aren't included.

    As for the original topic, it's hard to tell what it means. My sense is that the NBA and NHL are each about a dozen teams bigger than they should be, and they have gone into marginal markets or allowed marginal ownership to fuel their growth. They got by when the economy was good, but in the current climate the weak teams are hemorrhaging money.

    The real lesson for MLS here IMO is to be careful with expansion. Many in the expansion forum call for it, but I have real doubts that a 30 odd team MLS would be a good thing -- there aren't enough good markets and quality ownership groups to go around for that IMO. Back in the dark days when MLS contracted, in addition to the Florida teams the league was also worried about Dallas, Colorado, Kansas City, San Jose and the ownership in New York. (See link below). Well, those markets are still a challenge. It takes a long time to turn some of these situations around. The NBA and NHL may be finding out some markets have just about run out of time.

    Link:

    http://www.soccertimes.com/wagman/2001/dec27.htm
     
  23. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Maybe an MLS second division?

    (ducks and runs for cover)
     
  24. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1) How is a "covered" stadium going to affect the air temperature?

    2) How are you going to grow grass in an "indoor type of a venue"?
     
  25. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Ah, the fall back plan. When there's bad attendance for an MLS game, it's always the weather that's the problem. It could be pouring and 0 degrees, and Ohio State football would sell out (and could many times over). However, the same group of people would stay away from an MLS playoff game because it's a tad bit nipply.

    The fans that were there were awesome, though. We just need more of them, and less of the casual fan that will be kept away by the cold.

    The same people who are indicating that the attendance was low for this crucial playoff game are the same people who are advocating in another thread for MLS Cup to be hosted by the team with the better regular season record. So I guess they're expecting the attendance at a place like Columbus to be better 1 month from now when it's even colder and potentially more miserable.
     

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