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If Monterrey wasted $15M in one season then i must ask how much did Club America waste in those disasterous 13 years without a Championship !!!

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Re: Re: Some things money CAN buy.

Actually it is a serious Querstion

The way i see it since Americas first run with Leo Beenhakker back in ninety four there have been many big named players and coaches. Just to name a few there has been Alfio Basile, Marcelo Bielsa and even Lapuente which was getting payed close to 2M a year !!! And players there has been Zamorano and even Luis Hernandez who didnt come cheap not to mention when America purchased Ramon Ramirez, Braulio Luna ect and if we see the list of foreigners that still belong to Club America and add up all the trasnfer fees. On Fantik Alone CA wasted $1M !!!

 

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America has always spend good money on coaches.. nothing wrong with that. Even after some of them leave, they leave different ideas which is always a good thing.

People will always rub in the 12 year absence of not winning a league title, but break it down... in those 13 years, they won the most games, led the standings the most (which in my mind is the fairest way to judge a team) appeared in the most liguillas. they also produced good players.

The liguilla is just a money maker, nothing more nothing less. 180 minutes instead of 1720 minutes to determine the best team of the season to determine the league champ??? something wrong with that

I am not against the liguilla.. it is fun... but the league champ should be the one who was the best team during those 1710 minutes.

i have said this before... the team that leads the standings should be considered league champ and the liguilla champ should be considered Cup champ.

Javier Aguirre in an early interview talked about the difference of the Liga and the MFL... he said in a way its not fair that the 10th best team could be considered champ.


but back to the spending...

whats more troubling is not the amount America spends... because they make money... whats troubling is a team that makes just as much in revenues being broke and not able to keep thier players or buy new players, and hiring chump coaches... ala CHivas..

All I have to say VS... dont critizice our yard when yours is a mess

 

Originally posted by ************

America has always spend good money on coaches.. nothing wrong with that.

True but when they get big contracts and then leave without finishing a process then the money was just badly spent. Why spend so much money to bring Beenhakker (94) when he was going to get fired before the liguilla even started.

Even after some of them leave, they leave different ideas which is always a good thing.

Not if they stayed for a short period which has happened in Club Americ a many times..

People will always rub in the 12 year absence of not winning a league title, but break it down... in those 13 years, they won the most games, led the standings the most (which in my mind is the fairest way to judge a team) appeared in the most liguillas. they also produced good players.

That sounds nice but the purpose of bringing in all those high profile coaches and players is to win the Liguilla. If you cant achieve that then it doesnt matter how good you did during the season because the Club that did win the Champiosnhip will be the one taking in all the glory.

whats more troubling is not the amount America spends... because they make money...

By the look of the attendance the past two years at Estadio Azteca and asking Cruz Azul to come back it doesnt look like Club America has been doing to good. Where would they be now if they werent backed up by Televisa. I doubt they would of lasted as Long asd Chivas..

whats troubling is a team that makes just as much in revenues being broke and not able to keep thier players or buy new players, and hiring chump coaches... ala CHivas..

All these years Club America has had Televisa to bail them out. So no matter how bad they did as a Club ,Televisa could just open up their coffers and rebuild the team. Now there is nothing wrong with that but you cant compare that to Chivas situation before Vergara when the club was owned by the socios..

All I have to say VS... dont critizice our yard when yours is a mess.

I must admit la Promotora also spent their fare shair of money to make Chivas Champions. With the Super Chivas squad being a disaster but in the end they managed to get it right winning in 97 and reaching the final in 98.

When the Club and Promotora split up this is when everything became a mess as la Promotora sold the majority of the players they had brought in..

However to say that things at Chivas are a mess is absurd, especially when Chivas qualified to the Liguilla and America didnt. How about Chivas reserve team Tapatio reaching the 2nd Div final. Now one thing is not being able to afford a player and another is to not be willing to pay exagerated amount of money for them.

 

True but when they get big contracts and then leave without finishing a process then the money was just badly spent. Why spend so much money to bring Beenhakker (94) when he was going to get fired before the liguilla even started.

Didnt Chivas get Beekenhaker as well??? ouchh I can recall some of America's ex coaches going to Chivas as well???

Not if they stayed for a short period which has happened in Club Americ a many times..

This is more true with with Chivas than America..

That sounds nice but the purpose of bringing in all those high profile coaches and players is to win the Liguilla. If you cant achieve that then it doesnt matter how good you did during the season because the Club that did win the Champiosnhip will be the one taking in all the glory.

something Chivas has done 3 times in 35+ years. In those 35 years being leading the top standings twice. not winning a championship in 19 years. Missing out on munerous liguillas..

like I said.. before you start criticizing America.. look at your club. How many international titles??

By the look of the attendance the past two years at Estadio Azteca and asking Cruz Azul to come back it doesnt look like Club America has been doing to good. Where would they be now if they werent backed up by Televisa. I doubt they would of lasted as Long asd Chivas..

VS, Even if America were to sell out, that still wouldnt even pay a 10th of the cost. We are in the 21st century VS. Get on with it. THe money is made through merchandising, TV deals, sponsors, etc. ANd that my friend is why America is a rich club. Because they know how to market themsleves

And what you dont know is what hurts you.. America is operated aside from Televisa and has been for a while now. MEANING... America operates itself and does not inject money from Televisa when ever they feel like it. As a matter of fact, they made profits this year aside as if the were to act alone... in which they did.

so spare be the crap about son going to dad and asking for money.

Again.. dont look at our yard when yours is a mess.. how manmy times have we heard Vergara and Sisnera go on his weekly radio chats and talk about him injecting capital from Omnilife funds..

dont be a hipocrit.

All these years Club America has had Televisa to bail them out. So no matter how bad they did as a Club ,Televisa could just open up their coffers and rebuild the team. Now there is nothing wrong with that but you cant compare that to Chivas situation before Vergara when the club was owned by the socios..

look above. Dont be a hipocrit.

America operates asidefrom Televisa and has been for a while

I must admit la Promotora also spent their fare shair of money to make Chivas Champions. With the Super Chivas squad being a disaster but in the end they managed to get it right winning in 97 and reaching the final in 98.

you must admit??? That facts are there bro.. nothing for you to admit

When the Club and Promotora split up this is when everything became a mess as la Promotora sold the majority of the players they had brought in..

same old song. 30+ years of mismanagment and allocation of funds???? And you dont call that corruption?? Ohh but if that was america... that would be corrupt..

again... dont be a hipcrit. look at your yard first bud

However to say that things at Chivas are a mess is absurd, especially when Chivas qualified to the Liguilla and America didnt.

basing this on one season... Wowwwwww good for you

How about Chivas reserve team Tapatio reaching the 2nd Div final.

How about America's baby brother playing the final and being promoted to the first division (COUGH RSL COUGH) and you are hyping up Tapatio for not being promoted..

Now one thing is not being able to afford a player and another is to not be willing to pay exagerated amount of money for them.

Not being able to afford when you make just as much money...... there is a problem

not willing to play... PLEASEEEEEE its because you cant... they mismanage thier funds

 

Re: Re: Some things money CAN buy.

Originally posted by ************

Didnt Chivas get Beekenhaker as well??? ouchh I can recall some of America's ex coaches going to Chivas as well???

It was La Promotora that brought in Beenhakker who actually stayed the whole season and managed to win some Classicos. Oh and wasnt Carillo an assitant coach at Chivas, Ouchh indeed.

This is more true with with Chivas than America.

Can you honestly compare Daniel Guzman, Bracamontes and Demetrio Madero to Bielsa, Alfio Basile ect..

something Chivas has done 3 times in 35+ years. In those 35 years being leading the top standings twice. not winning a championship in 19 years. Missing out on munerous liguillas..

Chivas was run by the Club and then la Promotra and even then they have managed to do something Club America hasnt been able to do and that is to at least win one Championship since the 50's..

like I said.. before you start criticizing America.. look at your club. How many international titles??

Running out of excuses babycakes. We are not comparing Chivas to America this thread is about the cost of winning a Championship. If Monterrey spent 15M then obviously Club America spent more thant that in their 12 years it took them to win a championship.

VS, Even if America were to sell out, that still wouldnt even pay a 10th of the cost. We are in the 21st century VS. Get on with it. THe money is made through merchandising, TV deals, sponsors, etc. ANd that my friend is why America is a rich club. Because they know how to market themsleves

America is the richest Club in Mexico because of Televisa period. If their marketing was so good then they wouldnt have piss poor attendance figures especially not after winning a Championship not to long ago. Club America is not even in the top 5 of avg attendance in the MFL.

And what you dont know is what hurts you.. America is operated aside from Televisa and has been for a while now. MEANING... America operates itself and does not inject money from Televisa when ever they feel like it. As a matter of fact, they made profits this year aside as if the were to act alone... in which they did.

Tell that to the Americanistas..

so spare be the crap about son going to dad and asking for money.

The truth hurts..

in.. dont look at our yard when yours is a mess.. how manmy times have we heard Vergara and Sisnera go on his weekly radio chats and talk about him injecting capital from Omnilife funds..

Lets see since Vergara bought Chivas the Club is Building a new stadium, new training grounds, they Qualified to the play offs, Key player contracts were renewed, and the reserve team Tapatio made it to the final of the 2nd Div, thats quite a mess if you ask me..

America operates asidefrom Televisa and has been for a while

This is the third time you say this, are you trying to convince yourself ?

you must admit??? That facts are there bro.. nothing for you to admit.

True but the Promotora is no longer around..

Same old song. 30+ years of mismanagment and allocation of funds???? And you dont call that corruption?? Ohh but if that was america... that would be corrupt..

I was not around the Club to know what happened althought it is quite obvious the socios were stealing money However this has nothing to do with the original topic of how much a club spends to win a Championship in the MFL not how much Chivas ex socios stole.

basing this on one season... Wowwwwww good for you

The first season under Vergara/Omnilife. The time of the promotora and the Club is all in the past diffrent managements my friend. BTW what did Club America achieve in the first Div pro league before Televisa, as i recall Nothing..

How about America's baby brother playing the final and being promoted to the first division (COUGH RSL COUGH) and you are hyping up Tapatio for not being promoted..

Americas baby brother or another one of Televisas Club. Lets look at the diffrence between Real San Luis and Club Tapatio. First Real San Luis operates as its own Club. Seconsd they can buy players and Foreigners to strenghten the squad. Tapatio on the other hand is a club which only fields players that have come out of Chivas fuerzas basicas (Reserves) and average age in U-23. Their sole purpose is to serve as a feeder to Chivas.

Not being able to afford when you make just as much money...... there is a problem

If Vergara has enough money to Buy Club Chivas and build a new stadium what makes you think they cant spend 5 to 10 M on a player. Still the idea is not to buy a squad but rather build one. Chivas will have a squad next season that will be about 70 % from Fuerzas basicas..

not willing to play... PLEASEEEEEE its because you cant... they mismanage thier funds

Mismanage funds is what Club America does best. How much did Fantik Cost again what about Lipatin ???

 

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It was La Promotora that brought in Beenhakker who actually stayed the whole season and managed to win some Classicos. Oh and wasnt Carillo an assitant coach at Chivas, Ouchh indeed.

enough with La promotora. they had rights to Chivas meaning they were chivas..

Can you honestly compare Daniel Guzman, Bracamontes and Demetrio Madero to Bielsa, Alfio Basile ect..

well.. according to Vergara, they hired the best coach in the world

Chivas was run by the Club and then la Promotra and even then they have managed to do something Club America hasnt been able to do and that is to at least win one Championship since the 50's..

winning every a title every decade is nice... but waiting 15-18 years in between. you could win a title in 1970 then win your next tone in 1986.. YEAHH real dominating..

complacent heh??

Running out of excuses babycakes. We are not comparing Chivas to America this thread is about the cost of winning a Championship. If Monterrey spent 15M then obviously Club America spent more thant that in their 12 years it took them to win a championship.

I know this thread isnt about Amrica.. but criticizing them for spending funds...

well.. what about mismanaging them ala chivas.

afterall you are talking abou thw most popular team. A team that makes just enoiugh in sales and promotions.. and always being broke???

and in those 12 years.. Chivas didnt do to well...

America is the richest Club in Mexico because of Televisa period. If their marketing was so good then they wouldnt have piss poor attendance figures especially not after winning a Championship not to long ago. Club America is not even in the top 5 of avg attendance in the MFL.

dont hate because we have money.. afterall.. isnt that why you love Vergara.. because he has money now.. dont be a hipocrit

i personally could careless about the attendance.. i care about results.. results you guys have failed to do in 35+ years

Lets see since Vergara bought Chivas the Club is Building a new stadium, new training grounds, they Qualified to the play offs, Key player contracts were renewed, and the reserve team Tapatio made it to the final of the 2nd Div, thats quite a mess if you ask me..

You talk about getting money from daddy... well.. America can surivive on its own even with teleivsa on thier side. Chivas couldnt. Most of the money is not from Chivas revenue.. its from Omnilife...

bla bla bla.. about tapatio.. typical VS.. premature on your part.. go on about your 20 year ols superstar from Tapatio... at 20.. he should have been in the first division by nOW.. BLA BLKA BLA

This is the third time you say this, are you trying to convince yourself ?

not me.. just pointing out the facts

True but the Promotora is no longer around..

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I was not around the Club to know what happened althought it is quite obvious the socios were stealing money However this has nothing to do with the original topic of how much a club spends to win a Championship in the MFL not how much Chivas ex socios stole.

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I know i know.. MFL history started for you when you became a fan and you disregard anything before that

The first season under Vergara/Omnilife. The time of the promotora and the Club is all in the past diffrent managements my friend. BTW what did Club America achieve in the first Div pro league before Televisa, as i recall Nothing..

and your point is?? if the point is that it needs time??? well how much time?? After America was acquired by Televisa... they following season they were runners up...

and you act as if Televisa is bad because they give money.. HELLOOO they own Club America... DUHHH

and even with them being the owners.. CLub America acts as its own seperate entitiy...

Americas baby brother or another one of Televisas Club. Lets look at the diffrence between Real San Luis and Club Tapatio. First Real San Luis operates as its own Club. Seconsd they can buy players and Foreigners to strenghten the squad. Tapatio on the other hand is a club which only fields players that have come out of Chivas fuerzas basicas (Reserves) and average age in U-23. Their sole purpose is to serve as a feeder to Chivas.

whoaaa... RSL operates as its own entity NOW... but when they were in the second divison... they used America reserve players and players from the youth camps.. dont you remember them sending Davino down there? dont you remember America playing as RSL in some of CONCACAF tournaments..

It was after the fact.. when they operated as a different club to keep the integrity of the first division.

so before you start ciriticizing... know you shyt first


If Vergara has enough money to Buy Club Chivas and build a new stadium what makes you think they cant spend 5 to 10 M on a player. Still the idea is not to buy a squad but rather build one. Chivas will have a squad next season that will be about 70 % from Fuerzas basicas..

WELL...

for one thing... they couldnt get de Nigris
they couldnt get Bianchi, Beekenhaker, Hiddink, etc

The negoatiations with Camrona just got complicated..

70% from the youth camps... SUREEEEEE

Mismanage funds is what Club America does best. How much did Fantik Cost again what about Lipatin ???

im confused... first you say America is the richest club and know you say they mismagane funds?? get your shyt straight son...

i have always said this...

CHivas is the most corrupt team.

you are talking about the most popular club in Norht America. generate sales in high volumes. extensive contracts with domestic and foreign sponsors... and broke for 30+ years?????

there was this funny little rumor going around that Vergara actually wanted to buy Atlas.. but couldnt happen. might settled for Chivas... afterall.. potential customers for his product...

so before you even talk about the money issue ... look at your club first... they are known to mismanage and spend on crap

 

Re: Re: Some things money CAN buy.

Originally posted by ************


Enough with La promotora. they had rights to Chivas meaning they were chivas..

They were just handeling the team but they were not the Club, two diffrent things Team/Club maybe you forget this because i dont think "Club" America has been an actual Club in years..

well.. according to Vergara, they hired the best coach in the world

Nice way to avoid the question. Truth be told Bielsa and Basile didnt come as cheap as Demtrio Madero..

winning every a title every decade is nice... but waiting 15-18 years in between. you could win a title in 1970 then win your next tone in 1986.. YEAHH real dominating.

I didnt say Dominating But it is still something America was not able to do despite the fact that they are a Richer club.

I know this thread isnt about Amrica.. but criticizing them for spending funds...

I didnt start critizing their spending they could waste all the money they have for all i care. Thing is i find it odd that Monterrey gets put on the spot while no one says anything about how much Club Americas championship cost..

well.. what about mismanaging them ala chivas.

I know Chivas was mismanaged for many years but i repeat that was under the Club and then the Promotora bringing this up now makes no sense since the new directiva has been doing a good job so far.

afterall you are talking abou thw most popular team. A team that makes just enoiugh in sales and promotions.. and always being broke???

You cant compare the Clubs situation from one year ago to how it is doing now. A Club that is broke wouldnt be Building a new stadium or training grounds.

dont hate because we have money.. afterall.. isnt that why you love Vergara.. because he has money now.. dont be a hipocrit

I never hated because Club America has Televisas money or because Cruz Azul has Cemento Azul money ect Having Clubs with Money ensures better competition. However that doesnt mean i cant point out when they screw up and throw money away (Fantik) which i pointed out when they first bought him only to hear Americanista apologist talk about an Investment. Having a list of over thirty foreigners many of which lasted less than a year in the club is also another example of throwing money away, especially when they are not able to sell them.

You talk about getting money from daddy... well.. America can surivive on its own even with teleivsa on thier side.

Well it is hard to say.. I look at their current situation and it makes it obvious that they depend a lot on Televisas promotion and marketing in order to keep the fans attention.

Chivas couldnt. Most of the money is not from Chivas revenue.. its from Omnilife..

Chivas lasted about thirty years as an irregular Club not winning much and yet they still maintained a strong fan following, America has one bad season and your fans abandone the team. Now about the revenou if you have any proof i would like to see it, because the Club with the #1 attendance avg and a healthty TV contract shouldnt have to depend on Omnilife. Why the club was sold, well it is quite obvious the socios were pocketing the money..


and your point is?? if the point is that it needs time??? well how much time?? After America was acquired by Televisa... they following season they were runners up..

You said Chivas backyard was a Mess, i just pointed out how well they have been doing under new management..

RSL operates as its own entity NOW... but when they were in the second divison... they used America reserve players and players from the youth camps.. dont you remember them sending Davino down there? dont you remember America playing as RSL in some of CONCACAF tournaments.

Unlike Necaxa and Real San Luis, Tapatio will never compete in First division and go heads up against Chivas. That and Tapatios only function will be for Chivas reserves to get playing time.

for one thing... they couldnt get de Nigris
they couldnt get Bianchi, Beekenhaker, Hiddink, etc

De Nigris was not for sale by Monterrey, they wanted to trade for Ramon Morales. The Bianchi deal didnt go through because he only wanted a two year deal as opposed to Chivas five year project. Hiddink wanted more money and spend less time and Beenhakker wanted Chivas to wait untill after he finished his job at Ajax while Chivas needed to kick off their project before the start of the the past season.

The negoatiations with Camrona just got complicated.

Negotiations get complicated all the time... As far as i know the draft isnt untill tommorow.

70% from the youth camps... SUREEEEEE

From the current Squad, Rafael and Alberto Medina, Johnny Garcia, Joel Garcia and Omar Bravo all are from the reserves. Eight youth players have allready been promoted from Tapatio for Next season with Isaac Romo being one of the most promosing players.


im confused... first you say America is the richest club and know you say they mismagane funds?? get your shyt straight son..

Televisa makes America the richest Club in Mexico, Club Americas directiva mismanges the funds by bringing in Crap players like Fantik

you are talking about the most popular club in Norht America. generate sales in high volumes. extensive contracts with domestic and foreign sponsors... and broke for 30+ years?????

Was broke, remeber Club/Promotara was then Omnilife/Vergara is now..


so before you even talk about the money issue ... look at your club first... they are known to mismanage and spend on crap

I said it before that was in the past remeber the ex socios it is no wonder the club was going bankrupt but like i said many times in my last two posts so far under the new management things have been running smoothly..

 

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Re: Re: Re: Some things money CAN buy.

They were just handeling the team but they were not the Club, two diffrent things Team/Club maybe you forget this because i dont think "Club" America has been an actual Club in years..

No it hasnt been. It has been recognized as a corporation. In fact Club AMerica's oficial name is Club de Futbol AMerica, S.A de C.V. (Sociedad Anonima de Capital Variable). SA is just another way of saying corporation.

But my friend.. when Vergara bought the team... didnt he buy out the judases amongst the club and change the status of the club to a corporation. I could have sworn he petitioned that to the asociates at the time and the asociates before the buy out. In fact he changed the status from a AC (asociacion civil) to a SA (Sociedad Anonima)..

so what does that make Chivas??? a club or a traitor???

anyway you want to paint it.. thier is an owner and protocol is still seen. Its just that the buck stops else where...

Nice way to avoid the question. Truth be told Bielsa and Basile didnt come as cheap as Demtrio Madero..

what does that say about chivas that they will put up any joe blow at the head???

I didnt say Dominating But it is still something America was not able to do despite the fact that they are a Richer club.

the difference ibetween America is that in a SA the capital is reinvested... and under a CV..the money goes out different parties...

remember... Chivas has more fans and has a potential to make more money... and they didnt capitalize.. so dont judge or critizie America for Chivas' shortcomings.

but when most CHivas fans are like you.. who care more about a xenophobic tradition and care about the past... owners dont have an incentive to make the club any bigger than it already is

I didnt start critizing their spending they could waste all the money they have for all i care. Thing is i find it odd that Monterrey gets put on the spot while no one says anything about how much Club Americas championship cost..

what does America have to do with Monterrey winning a championship???

why should America be critiicized?? Aside from Blanco, PArdo, and Davino... the rest of America's players came cheap... Rios, Oviedo, Castillo, Lipatin... didnt cost an arm and a leg.. Salinas and Castro are not making the big bucks yets... they will pretty soon... Paco Torres, Efren Hernandez, Ignacio Torres, Santiago Fernandez, Alberto Becerra, Christian MArtinez, Christian Patiño are all from the cantera

I know Chivas was mismanaged for many years but i repeat that was under the Club and then the Promotora bringing this up now makes no sense since the new directiva has been doing a good job so far.

can you honestly say that... that they have been doing a good job???

You cant compare the Clubs situation from one year ago to how it is doing now. A Club that is broke wouldnt be Building a new stadium or training grounds.

WHOAAA hold up. That stadium and that Centro JVC was not planned with Chivas in mind. IF you read, the Cnetro JVC has been in the works since 1998... I dont recall Vergara being in the picture. You can go to the website and the stadium is not even on the link...

its just a good way for Vergara to promote his products..

I never hated because Club America has Televisas money or because Cruz Azul has Cemento Azul money ect Having Clubs with Money ensures better competition.

mmmmm righttttt

However that doesnt mean i cant point out when they screw up and throw money away (Fantik) which i pointed out when they first bought him only to hear Americanista apologist talk about an Investment.

well.. not every acquisition is a a winner. there is always a risk.

as far as fantik.. well.. it was a word of mouth. Romario and this other promoter said the kid had talent.. I know he hasnt done crap.. chances are America will rent him out or sell him and make some money.

Having a list of over thirty foreigners many of which lasted less than a year in the club is also another example of throwing money away, especially when they are not able to sell them.

throwing money away??? i dont think having rental property is throwing money away.

whats the difference between Deportivo La Coruña and CLub America buying prospects and loaning them out??? you make money that way... Morelia does that as well... Morelia has a alot of players that pertain to them that play in South America and in Mexico. So does America.. so do a lot of clubs..

Christian Patiño is a perfect example.. When he was brought up to America.. he didnt do crap and they hated the guy.. they loaned him to Leon.. and didnt do to well.. they made money of what was considered dead weight... but was given a second chance and he responded well the 2nd time around

I dont know... maybe you and i have a different way of seeing the business aspect of it.

you see it as wasting money, I see it as making money off passive assets

Well it is hard to say.. I look at their current situation and it makes it obvious that they depend a lot on Televisas promotion and marketing in order to keep the fans attention.

Even if Televisa gave money to AMerica.. SO WHAT.. Televisa owns them. They have every right to ensure thier corporations doesnt fail.

But the fact is that Club America does not get money injected from Televisa like you think it does. Jean Azcarraga and Javier Perez Tueffer wanted to operate the club independantly as if televisa did not exist.. and it has worked. they actually make more profit because they market the team more, sale more merchandise.. (off topic - i am trying to buy DVDs of mexican soccer [mexican soccer history footage and stuff] and couldnt find hardly anything on DVD. they only have VHS tapes which i had. THe only thing they do have on DVD is Club America products.

Chivas lasted about thirty years as an irregular Club not winning much and yet they still maintained a strong fan following, America has one bad season and your fans abandone the team.[/.b]

we expect more from our team

Now about the revenou if you have any proof i would like to see it, because the Club with the #1 attendance avg and a healthty TV contract shouldnt have to depend on Omnilife.

you can do google searches. you can search the Jornada.unam newspaper. or you can watch watch TD and they have some interesting reports from time to time regarding the business aspect of the MFl (stats from outside sources). take a pick.

OR if you want to use common sense

THe most followers in Mexico.
Th most popular club in Mexico
top 3 in asttendenace year in and year out
healty TV contract in Mexico
numerous domestic and international business ventures
numerous sponsors domestic and internationally
most popular club in the US as well..

add all that up.. and you still have money problems???? whats the deal???

are Chivas fans not spending money on thier team??? what gives???

sad to say , but you do have to depend on Omnilife fundss

Why the club was sold, well it is quite obvious the socios were pocketing the money..

and you still think Club AMerica execs are croocked HAHAHA

i guess one is mismanaging funds and the other is corruption right???

You said Chivas backyard was a Mess, i just pointed out how well they have been doing under new management..

even La piedad, Irapuato was bale to make the liguilla.. i just see no basis for you to say they are doing their job and that they are doing a great job..at least not yet..

Unlike Necaxa and Real San Luis, Tapatio will never compete in First division and go heads up against Chivas. That and Tapatios only function will be for Chivas reserves to get playing time.

i feel for the hidalgeunses and those teams from the 2nd division that will never see thier team in the first division because the team is just seen as a feeder...

for one thing... they couldnt get de Nigris
they couldnt get Bianchi, Beekenhaker, Hiddink, etc

De Nigris was not for sale by Monterrey, they wanted to trade for Ramon Morales. The Bianchi deal didnt go through because he only wanted a two year deal as opposed to Chivas five year project. Hiddink wanted more money and spend less time and Beenhakker wanted Chivas to wait untill after he finished his job at Ajax while Chivas needed to kick off their project before the start of the the past season.

money talks, VS walks

Televisa makes America the richest Club in Mexico, Club Americas directiva mismanges the funds by bringing in Crap players like Fantik

look earlier in the post

Was broke, remeber Club/Promotara was then Omnilife/Vergara is now..

mentality the same.. only difference is... instead of distrubting the funds to 180 people.. it goes to one...

I said it before that was in the past remeber the ex socios it is no wonder the club was going bankrupt but like i said many times in my last two posts so far under the new management things have been running smoothly..

Ohh yeahh smoothly you say...

Vergara going on his rantings.
Drug raids in the youth camps
looking for new coaches during the season
i could go on and on