For 2 days all I could do was read some of the insanity that was being written on this board. For 2 days there was a glitch with my account and I couldnt post, finally after avoiding the board all day to see the CC games I can respond and bring back the much needed SANITY to this board. - First off, someone wrote that if you could find 10 current US players that would easily be called up in a Brazil squad of 50. This is insane. Nuts and not worth arguing over. Of 50 Brazilian you may get away with calling up 2 Americans at most. - Some other guy claimed that Heydude was as good as Cafu. All I can do is laugh. - Mind you I am a US fan (live here 29 years) and a Brazil fan (born there) and have no BIAS tords either one. I just look at it rationally as I know what both have to offer. - TODAYS GAMES [R]: If you are a US and Brazil fan like I am, this was one SADDD day. The US was HORRIBLE during 90% of the match. When they scored we all knew they didnt deserve to be on top. I BLAME Arena for starting Kirovski while guys like MATHIS and STEWART are sitting on the bench. That was a BONEHEAD move all the way no matter what spin you put on it. The US bordered pathetic. Whe I asked 2 days ago "Will the REAL USA please stand up" I was refering to either the 98 USA or the 2002 USA and it looks like the 98 USA may just be the REAL USA. We had nobody in command of the team and absolutley no midfield for most of the game. It was one sad display. To my surprise, worse than the US was Brazil. Totally pathetic display. The team seemed lost. Here I blame the equipment manager that pulled out the hidious combo of WHITE SHORTS and YELLOW Jersey. That should be illegal! Now on Saturday we have the battle of the losers Brazil x USA and now the Turkey x Cameroon game becomes extremely important. I think a TIE in that game would be best BUT that would mean that the loser of Brazil x US would be eliminated. As a US/Brazil fan the only way both make it to the next round is if there are TWO TIES on Saturday. This would allow Brazil and the US to enter the field on Monday needing both to win BIG to make it to the next round. As a US fane individually you have to be worried. Brazil probably came into this game after a 3-0 win over Nigeria thinking it would be a cakewalk, Brazil had never lost a game against an African nation (excluding olympics) they were 18-0, now 18-1. So on Saturday the Brazilian team will refocus and let it all out against the US. BUT that can be a good thing for the US. We will have to wait and see. But the US does need a leader, someone to control the midfield. OH and what the heck was all that LONNNGGGGGGG ball garbage. All we did was make 50 Yard passes, most of which always failed to connect. This was a bad start.
I agree definitely! The US team performed horribly, the worst I've seen them play (besides that germany friendly before the wc..I take that back, worse than that one) The guys need to learn to trap the ball without it squirty to the Turkish players. That game was just a nightmare for the US. What was Brasil doing? I actually fell asleep in the second half. I too thought it would be a cake walk and was looking for some good football out of Brasil to help me out of my post game depression, but alas... The USA-Brasil game should be a good one. I hope the poor performance today by the US was just the jitters because Brasil will be hungry in round 2.
you're HARDLY the person to bring sanity ANYWHERE scout. - its not nuts. you COULD find 10. granted two would be keepers. you don't think reyna is brazil quality? theres 3. DMB and Donovan? 5. mathis and lewis would make a brazil squad of 50. 7. and so would mcbride and wolf. 9. and of course... lets not forget alexi lalas. 10. seriously. mastroeni is an EXCELLENT defensive mid. 10 - cafu is a damn good defender. hejduk is too. probably not as good. probably nowhere near as good. but hejduk gets into the attack alot more for us so its a different role (albeit he didn't today). - brazil has thousands more soccer players than we do. and a much deeper talent pool. though to say 10 of our starters couldn't beat the 20 players behind the starting 11 is insulting. I for one think the REAL usa is the usa of 2002. That being said kirovski has proven himself useless in one too many games for me. I hope this was Arena saying "one last try for you mr. jovan.. then no more". The lack of a cohesive, controlled attack, and possesion in the midfield, are noted at every game reyna does not play in. I agree wholeheartedly. Equipment manager should be beaten. I've always been a fan of the shrimp-country, but lately they underperform. I thought I was watching a Scottish Premier League team play Turkey today with all the long balls. If Brazil thought cameroon was going to be easy they deserved to lose. Cameroon has an impressive pedigree. Just ask any colombian from Italia 90.
I was wondering how long it would take until you brought up Brazil. The over-under was second sentence - but you refrained admirably until the second paragraph.
Re: Re: Soccerscout speaks! (Topic US at CC) Err... are you spiking your sanka with something there? Wolf, Mathis, DMB, Lalas! Would NOT make a Brazil squad... Lalas could not even hack it with your beloved Barcelona. Pleeeze The others you mention would have a shot.
Re: Re: Re: Soccerscout speaks! (Topic US at CC) you think i'd drink sanka straight?? Lalas was a JOKE. Wolf DMB Mathis would easily make brazils B team. DMB definitely. nice to see another Ecua. or are you a LDU de quito fan for some other reason?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Soccerscout speaks! (Topic US at CC) What makes you so sure that DMB would definately makes Brazil's B team? Haven't you notice that Brazil is so filled with world class players in the mid-foward that it gives any brazilian coach a nightmare to pick the A team? Let me list the options that Brazil has for that sector: -Ronaldo -Rivaldo -Ronaldinho Gaúcho -Robinho -Diego -Kaká -Juninho -Adriano -Ricardinho -Juninho Pernambucano -Denílson -Alex -Élber -Edílson And the list goes on. Not in your dreams any US mid-foward would make Brazil's A, B or C team. They would even prefer to give the old-trash Romário his farewell chance in the seleção. Now Lalas, that's a defender that Brazil could make an use. Just to show how you guys' sense of reality is inverted.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Soccerscout speaks! (Topic US at CC) Im originally from Quito... and yes Lalas was a joke... although he did have a nice season last year.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Soccerscout speaks! (Topic US at CC) thats great but thats not 50 people. so thats 14 mids and forwards add 7 defenders and you've got 21. look, until you can name a roster of 50 who are better than our starters shut up cuz you don't have an argument. thats great, you really like brazil, i'm happy for you. but the argument was 50 so where are they?
(debated no where else in the world) Sanka - it is not the players but your perception of the players that is skewed. There are not 10 U.S. field players on THE ENTIRE PLANET EARTH starting in the first team in any top professional league. Maybe not ANY professional league from 1st Division upward to Premier. (MLS is not a top league) This would be a laugh to the real national team player-pool of Brazil. American players contracts are freely open for purchase. Not one club team in Brazil owns one nor wants one. But somehow you are sure U.S. players can earn by play and ability into the 50 player pool of Brazils national team. Putting someone on the team to just pass the ball in an Alibi-Soccer sort of way, is very different to a player earning by proving to be superior in every turn to those that would be excluded. Clearly I would disagree with you that Claudio Reyna is Brazil National team quality. There are midfielders in professional teams all over the world at Claudios level or better than him.(please!) I would also argue that there are midfielders all over Brazil at his level in professional club teams throughout the country. Claudio is the Best U.S. player and deserves to be a professional. However there are players of his quality in most professional leagues around the world that will even score fantastic goals regularly!
In all honesty Brazil could probably field 50 players that names start with the letter "R" before the US could get 2 in the list with any first initial.
see here you go again, starting with good arguements and then ruining it all with rediculous comment like that...sometimes you need to learn to shut-up and you'll sound much smarter.
Robinho Ronaldo Ronaldinho Rivaldo Roberto Carlos Roque Junior Ricardinho Romario then theres R. Lucio R. Gil R. Ilan R. Adriano R. Luis Fabiano R. Alex R. Diego (santos) R. Jardel R. Gilberto Silva R. Cafu R. Ze Roberto R. Kaka R. Fabiano (Sao Paulo) R. Emerson R. Amoroso R. Denilson R. Elber R. Serginho R. Edmundo R. Marcelinho (take your pick of which one) R. Kleber R. Luizao R. Kleberson R. Edu R. Juninho Paulista R. Junior (take your pick, i meant defender tho) R. Flavio Conceicao this took me about 10 mins... could only think of like 30 something...i dont really know much about brazil, im sure you can argue there are americans better than some of these players, i know im missing a lot of big names and less known ppl.
Re: Re: Re: Soccerscout speaks! (Topic US at CC) Lalas played once for Emelec and even there he sucked (and to suck in Emelec you really have to be bad). He, I remember there was a show back then in Ecuador (mid to late nineties) called "Ni en vivo ni en directo" and they had a skit where they showed Lalas as some hippy guy who was always stoned. Oh, Joe-Max Moore played in Emelec that same year and he also sucked. I remember it very well 'cause we beat them in all the clasicos and we won the campeonato nacional. Omar Quintana didn't know what to do with his gringos.
Here is a starting 11 team made of Brazilians with the letter "R" which the US couldn't beat: Rogerio Ceni Roque Junior Rochemback Roberto Carlos Ricardinho Ronaldinho Gaucho Rivaldo Robinho Robi-gol (Paysandu) Ronaldo Romario Thats a heck of a team. Ill have to think of the other 39 later.
Actually that's a pretty poor starting XI, first sign of a counterattack and it falls like a house of cards. Try that kind of starting lineup in a World Cup and it's three-and-out. More importantly, you have to show that there aren't 2 Americans who are good enough to displace one of the top 50 "R" players in Brazil. Actually, one field player. Friedel's better than any Brazilian goalkeeper. And Pope and Reyna get into that starting XI. If there's one US field player who could improve the Brazil squad, it's Reyna. SoccerScout, as you seem to so often forget, flashy tricks do not a great player make. Why do you think Beasley and Lewis have both been more effective on the national team level than Denilson?
anyone who implies that eddie lewis is a better player than denilson deserves to be publicly stoned. denilson is a good player, he is not only a dribbler. it is just unfortunate that he is not as good as the other players who start for brazil. all they use him for his to waste time at the end of games and if one person can make that entertaining it is definitely him.
the last four games US played, against : Argentina, Canada, Wales, New Zealand looked pretty good, a lot of agresiveness, creativity and energy and hustle but, all of the sudden those all gone.........
we need midfielder's training school in US, the country with 40 mil has only two great midfielders, Reyna and O'Brien....
" And Pope and Reyna get into that starting XI. " Did you just say that Pope and Reyna would start for Brazil??????? I hope not. Here is an ajustment to my Staring team of "R's", making it a better defensive team. Rogerio Ceni (Sao Paulo) Rochemback (Barcelona) Roque Junior Roger (Gremio) Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid) Ricardinho (Corinthians) Ronaldinho Gaucho (PSG) Rivaldo (Inter Milan) Robinho (Santos) Ronaldo (Real Madrid) Romario (Fluminense) Bench: Robi-gol (Paysandu) Renato (Gremio - Defense) Russo (Vasco - Right back much better tha Cherundolo)) Rodrigo Souto (Vasco - Midfielder) Rodrigao (Forward - 8 Goals in Current Brasileiro Cup) Reinaldo (Sao Paulo - Forward) Renato (Santos Mid- Libertadores Final) Rodrigo Fabri (Gremio, Led Brasil League in Goals 2002 owned by Real Madrid) Ricardo Oliveira (Santos - Libertadores Finalist) Ratinho (Plays in Germany somewhere)
No, I said they'd get into the starting XI of the Brazilians-Whose-Names-Start-With-R team. I still think you're seeing the world through canary-and-blue glasses. Oh, and I still think Denilson is crap and wouldn't (or shouldn't) start for most of the teams in the last World Cup. His game at the national team level is basically Cobi's with a bit more style - dribble to the corner and hold the ball. Sure, he dribbles well, but he usually looks like he has no clue which way the goal is. Okay, fine, he has more of a clue than Jeff "¡Autogolazo!" Agoos, but that's not saying much.