Soccer will never be popular in America.

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by PJ234, Dec 12, 2024.

  1. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Philly didn't even have the academy up and running for the first few years as the team started from scratch. In reality it's just a little over a decade since it became the main focus for the Union way.
     
  2. Dunno where you get that from.
     
  3. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    So are we not going to talk about the other MLS teams that don't do anything to help soccer?
     
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  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Before MLS NP New York City were either releasing academy players or loaning them to USL. Now they can keep them and have them play alongside draftees and marginal first teamers.

    In 2040 (those of us that are still alive and not controlled by our AI masters) might look back and say that MLS really became a development league in 2022.
     
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I was a fan of soccer in this country before MLS existed. Those were some dark days.

    We are literally night and day from where we were 30 years ago.
    You can't even begin to make a comparison.
    And 25 years from now, we hope to be in an even better place.

    MLS is responsible for that. MLS is.

    There is no money for player development in 98% of the rest of the soccer structure.
    There are a couple of USL Championship clubs that have any kind of resources to spend on academies at a good level. Louisville, etc.

    Yes, there are USL Championship first teams that are known for providing game time to young players. But players like Diego Luna, Brooklyn Raines, Jonathan Gomez, Fidel Barajas, etc. came from MLS academies.
     
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  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Luna left the Earthquakes to join Barca academy where he spent 4 years. Not sure what the story was there. Maybe they have a tattoo salon.
     
  7. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Sep 28, 2019
    California
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Club soccer is too expensive.
    And also, there's no pickup soccer for kids. That's essentially the problem.
    A lot of parents also just don't understand or care about soccer. I live in a neighborhood where the adults don't know anything about soccer.
     
  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    San Jose has had some really strong youth crops and perhaps made some wrong evaluations and decisions.

    Talent evaluation is a tricky business.

    You gotta know what you got and make good decisions with regards to who you give homegrown contracts to.............................

    People act like European and South American academies get these decisions right all the time. They don't. Thiago Silva was rejected by Fluminense, Flamengo, and Botafogo. We can all think of countless examples of this. Its not just American kids.
     
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  9. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    For example, there are large public subsidies in Scotland for their FA and a significant portion goes to funding youth development. Iceland also essentially made soccer their country's PE requirement, hiring coaches.

    The Netherlands isn't the only country in the world.
     
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  10. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Closer to like 2, 2.5 years.

    I think Quakes prioritized other players for home grown contracts.
     
  11. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Sep 28, 2019
    California
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    in america,

    not popular - soccer

    popular - football, basketball, baseball, hockey, nascar, golf, UFC
     
  12. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    okay
     
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  13. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Sep 28, 2019
    California
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Soccer is only popular in the immigrant communities in america
     
  14. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Sep 28, 2019
    California
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All US Soccer has to do is setup some puggs in a park and say hey kids come play at this time and the kids will come and play and get a lot of touches. At a very low cost. You don't need refs or coaches. Just adding pickup soccer to curriculum will instantly make soccer better in USA.
    This would not replace club soccer, it would supplement it.

    I guess Americans don't like cheap and easy solutions. We need to overstrategize and overcoach and overspend to make it seem like we're doing something important.
     
  15. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    Why do you need to build a park?
     
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  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    okay.........
     
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  17. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    it is definitely changing but you will still not get an argument from me that we often(usually?) are out numbered at home. That being said, you are very wrong when you say it would be a similar split. It is difficult…if not impossible to relate it to current (or recent) events in US soccer history. It is not like the Americans were outnumbered. It is like the Americans were not there. At all. Zero. There weren’t enough American fans to be drowned out.
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're all immigrants.
     
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  19. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Sep 28, 2019
    California
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    true i guess. its just that there are a lot of parks around. we're pretty good at building parks. so that would not be an additional cost. big parks. little parks. parks parks everywhere.
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    US soccer is based in Chicago and has 450 employees.

    How are they expected to organize pickup soccer in Pensacola?
     
  21. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently kids need US Soccer to tell them to play pickup soccer. They can't just go to the park and do it. Nothing kids like more than sports bureaucrats telling them how to have fun.
     
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  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1622 Paul Berry, Aug 19, 2025
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2025
    "But it's their fault. Them, over there! They're supposed to be in charge. Me? Why should I take responsibility? I'm too busy complaining about them on the Internet!"

    Can you imagine the liability if USSF organised a pickup game in a random park in Anytown, USA and some kid died of heatstroke, or got diddled by an organizer who hadn't been background checked?

    These things take logistics, coordination with local authorities, compliance with local and state laws, medical support, in some cases security and background checks, insurance etc. You may even have to play the local parks authority to rent the space. Anyone who's ever organised a local 5k, or any community event would understand the moving parts (and there are 89,004 local governments in the USA).

    On the other hand, a local mom or dad could probably invite a couple of dozen parents to have their kids meet at a park and kick a ball around without all that complexity.

    Even better, the kids do it themselves, which is what happens in most countries.
     
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  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Volume.

     
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  24. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Sep 28, 2019
    California
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    just do it.

    hire a few people
     
  25. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Sep 28, 2019
    California
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yes apparently they do because they aren't doing it.

    parents usually need to drive them to the park and the parents don't do that.
    so its not as easy as you say.

    anyways the point is that its what is missing. it is necessary in order to create creative players. this is why the US players are robotic. you don't get creative playing club soccer. you just become a robot. you need unmanaged play and a lot of it. this way you can experiment a lot.
    and you get a lot of touches at a low cost.
    talent is not fully nurtured under status quo due to high cost of running club soccer. which creates a big limitation of minutes.
     

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