Soccer, sports and politics (R)

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Nov 4, 2022.

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  1. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OSU defense fell asleep. Nice finish though.
     
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  2. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    We may be using the same rules, but the off-pitch stuff (caps, playoffs, all-star games, drafts, conferences within a league, baseball nicknames, artificial parity, etc. is what makes our league a joke.

    MLS, just stop trying to put an American spin on this game. This country hasn't made any significant contributions to global culture except for jazz, so stop mutating stuff to suit the LCDs who live here. Follow UEFA to the tee and let it be foreign. Those who can't get on board don't deserve to be on board.
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blah.

    Why not go totally global and have the same 3 teams win every season?
     
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  4. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    And to you as well!

    You got to grow up watching traditional football, but you'd deny that to millions of American kids who don't know any better. Shame on your selfishness.
     
  5. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'm reminded of something my grandfather said decades ago. "You don't feed junk food to young people- they will find that on their own. You make sure they get vegetables and grains and milk and fruit..."
     
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  6. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
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  7. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    Plus $104,000 in social security, which is the same I pay.
     
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  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I grew up watching dire stalemates in empty stadiums, with offside traps, muddy pitches and center-halves with names like Eric and Graeme competing to see how far they could kick the opposing forwards.

    Thanks to an invention called "television" American kids can have the best of all worlds.
     
  9. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    DeSantis is protesting as well.
     
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  10. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Okay, you had an opportunity to watch better, but chose not to, or the club you were born into supporting wasn't very good, you haven't said which.

    Either way, give us that same chance.

    Watching sports without a dog in the fight isn't quite the same.
     
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  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The team I was born into supporting was Liverpool. My Dad inherited his season ticket from his Dad.

    However we moved when I was 13.

    I switched to Notts County after moving to Nottingham, partly due to the violence at Liverpool games and partly due to the entitled attitude of their supporters.

    I really have no clue what you are talking about. I suspect English isn't your first language.
     
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  12. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    NC and Nottingham have their stadiums right across the street from each other right?
     
  13. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    That’s a grim picture:

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    Definitely not in my bucket list
     
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  14. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I don't know how old you are, but Liverpool's been good enough for some time to have won more domestic stuff than they have. Maybe that's why they felt so. But you were there and I was not.

    It isn't. I speak American, so you'll have to do your best to figure it out- or not.

    "Having a dog in the fight" is an American reference to having a reason to support one of the competitors. It's usually regional proximity.

    "Give us the same chance" you grew up with to be able to support domestic ball without caps and with a single table. Why should I have to fly across the ocean to see it done right, by teams I have no regional connection to, so no reason to care who wins? Why can't I drive three hours to a stadium and see it in person? Or, with a proper ladder, 20 minutes (because there'd be a club here in my town)?
     
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  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #9015 Paul Berry, Dec 10, 2023
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2023
    I switched from Liverpool to Notts County in the 1980/81 after traveling with a friend to watch Notts County lose 5-1 at Manchester City without a single fan complaining. Little did I know at the time that a. Notts County would get promoted to the top-flight that season and b. we've been complaining every since.


    You're living in a fantasy world. Promotion and relegation started in England when the Football Alliance failed and there was a surfeit of teams in the English Midlands, all connected via the rail network.

    If this seasons USL League Two champions were promoted, their nearest competitors would be close to a thousand miles away. On top of that they'd need a stadium, a brand new team of full-time professionals and some fans.

    And this is the USA, I don't see the big deal about driving for 3 hours. People drive 3 hours to their nearest Walmart.

    MLS owners don't want promotion and relegation, most USL owners don't want it, most lower division teams couldn't afford it and most American soccer fans don't care. But we should have it because ... they have it in England? Shall we bring back the royal family?

    The only people who seem to want it are a handful of romantics who only see the tears at the end of the season and didn't realize just how miserable a relegation season can be and a few businessmen who want the financial benefits of MLS without investing the money.

    If you go to most European countries you'll find that 90% of fans support teams that will never be relegated based on sporting merit.

    In Portugal for instance you'll see the average attendances of the teams in the Primeira relegation places are about 2,000, because guess what? The people who live there would rather drive 3 hours to watch Benfica or Porto.
     
  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Crosspost in Wypipo thread? :p
     
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  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Should be 75%
     
  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    We all slag officiating in sports but the NBA has to be up there in blind (purposeful or not) refs. I've seen dudes take 4-5 steps from the wing on a drive & not get a travel.

     
  19. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That guy was awesome. Bet he's a helluva dancer.
     
  20. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meadow Lane (Notts County) and The City Ground (Nottingham Forest) are across the river (and some little industrial park or something) from one another. Dundee and Dundee United in Scotland are closer to each other than the Nottingham stadiums are. Google Maps in satellite view shows these things pretty well.

    Nottingham: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.9410946,-1.1349719,691m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

    Dundee: https://www.google.com/maps/@56.4742955,-2.9721868,766m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
     
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  21. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    When was the last time someone was called for traveling in the NBA? Was it even this century?
     
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  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just for @Auriaprottu I superimposed a map of the 1892 Football League onto the continuous United States.
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    You don't see it?

    Here's a closer look.
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    This is why you're going to have to drive 3 hours even with pro/rel.
     
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  23. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Because of the nature of football it's a shame that hasnt been a Notts Derby in few years.

    Scottish football has the Dundee Derby which seems will be back next season after united got relegated. Apparently the two sides and St. Johnstone make up the Tayside Derby. There is also the Edinburgh Derby and of course the Glasgow Derby.
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was a 3-3 League Cup draw at the City Ground in 2011. The home team won on penalties.

    We do play friendlies. Notts lost 1-0 at home in August 2023 in front of 16,193.

    It's not as intense a rivalry as you would think. Forest have bigger rivals in Leicester and Derby. We have a big rivalry with Mansfield.
     
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  25. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Damn... the American disease of gloryhunting has reached their shores.

    That comment was about home support. With a proper system, you can support your true local club. With the US "system", you're more or less forced to support the nearest MLS club instead of the nearest club, period, because there is no path to the top flight. That drains off support that could be going to smaller clubs closer to my home.
     

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