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  1. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Now that Klein is gone, maybe it is not as bad of an insult?
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And where are all those Bolivians now?

    There are zero in MLS or in a top league in Europe.

    Instead there are 79 Brazilians and Argentinians in MLS.

    That's quite an upgrade.
     
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  3. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Shit happens. Boise State used to matter in the mid-2000s. Not anymore.

    I've felt this way since USC had to share a title with Alabama in 1978 despiote beating Bama in Tuscaloosa (Charles White, 199 yds), and the draw is expanding next season, I think.

    TL:DR. Liberty is a joke and this needs to be resiricted to REAL programs.

    That said, I have advocated for an all-conference champs playoff (11) plus five at large to cover the SEC teams that are better than most conference champs. 16 team draw, perfect.
     
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  4. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    It's still rare that we take a perfectly good foreign game and ruin in with McDonald's Playoffs and All-Star games and a draft.

    No, that's not her. She's a sole model. I saw a video where it seemed like somebody told her to use racial slurs on them (them was not in the frame, so no way to know). She was supposed to pass on that request.
     
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  5. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    #8855 Dr. Wankler, Dec 3, 2023
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2023
    No wonder my connection is so bad today.

    Who knew that Hell freezing over would have an effect on the Internet?
     
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  6. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    You're too late. I posted it a page or so ago last night.
     
  7. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Adding four more teams doesn't mean a mediocre Big Ten team is deserving. It's not likely that both will be good enough in the same year for this to be an issue. Like now. Michigan isn't going to win this, because they're not good enough. Ohio state wasn't, either. They all look good until somebody drops 50 on 'em in the cfp. Take one Big Ten team and tell 'em to get their weight up if they want two.

    That said, cfb makes too much of rivalries. I don't care about Michigan v. Ohio state or USC v. Notre Dame. Rivalries are for alums. I care about championships. Pageantry and tradition be damned, we need a clear path to a natty for everyone in the division, which would be winning your conference title.

    We have to learn to celebrate championship games and not prioritize Games We Care About. I'd stop these stupid bowl games for teams that don't qualify for the playoff, too.

    You have chosen to make a tournament of your championship. It was inevitable. If you want the reg season to be all that, you need a single table.
     
  8. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Strangely enough, 3rd stringer Cardale Jones was exactly what Ohio State needed to beat Bama in 2014 (the last time they even won a natty, lol, and 2002 before that). A 250 lb QB looking for someone to hit.
     
  9. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Players like Moreno and Etcheverry - especially Etcheverry - were good. Bolivia has nobody at that level today.
     
  10. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    The NFL has 32 teams. When you were a child they had 16, 26 or 28, depending on your age. There were mild shenanigans BITD because there were three divisions in each conference and not all divisions had the same number of teams.
     
  11. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I would have been more impressed with your powers of prognostication if you'd made those picks on Friday.
     
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  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    One of the more improbable bball finishes you'll see

     
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  13. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FSU out, both 1 loss conference champs in.
     
  14. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Well, that's true of the professional college sports in general.
     
  15. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
  16. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Yeah, so would I!

    The only one I would have gotten wrong was Alabama beating Georgia. I would have chosen Georgia there. Bama winning may have been what got Texas in over FSU as well- maybe FSU squeaks past them if the Horns' win over Bama doesn't look so impressive. Washington over Oregon wouldn't have been that difficult for me to say, and Michigan and Texas winning were easy calls. A final four of Georgia, Michigan, Washington and Texas.

    I know plenty of people who called Bama, but only as fans- not with any commentary that could sway me. The one guy I know who is a sports guru is a huge Bama fan as well. He thinks Bama isn't the same team that lost to Texas, and he thought Milroe's maturity would make up the difference against Georgia. He also believes Texas is the second-best team in this playoff behind Alabama.

    Michigan being undefeated just doesn't say anything. We've all seen this from the Big Ten before- more often than not they're not quite prepared because their schedules are so lacking. The Wolverines may win it all, but they'll have to do that before I really respect them again as a program. They're a season away from being bullied by the likes of TCU. Why should anyone automatically think they're worthy now?

    I do feel cool that I called Texas third and not fourth. They get the bye of sorts by playing Washington instead of Bama again or Michigan. IMO, in terms of battle testedness and preparedness, this is Alabama, Texas, Michigan and Washington
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Saban's gonna run circles around Jim Hairballs & they know it

     
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  18. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Indeed.

    I was told that MLS is (snicket) improving, year, after year.

    If this was in fact the case, could we not expect that most teams now would be better than teams from generation ago?

    And yet, you admit that this isn't the case, so where's the improvement in MLS?
     
  19. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Yeah, that applause is light and polite. They want a championship more than they want to earn a championship. That's common among fans of programs that walk around with a big name but don't have a lot of success. "Just let us have one some kinda way, please, can we dodge the SEC and just sneak in the back door? Please?".

    Suppose FSU had jumped both Bama and Georgia. The 2023 champ would be forever branded as The Team That Won The Year The SEC Champ Was Left Out. Michigan's obviously willing to wear that qualifier. Texas, having beaten Alabama early, doesn't have to. Can't say about Washington, but they probably just need to be happy to be there.
     
  20. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I think there is clearly an increase in the number of good players in MLS, but it has not resulted in better teams because the talent per team gets watered down by the league's rapid expansion.
     
  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Gee, I wonder why :whistling:

     
  22. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Man City and its 115 violations that have yet to be punished while Everton were docked 20 points says hi!!

    Your point stands but the EPL is messed up in its own way.
     
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  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Clearly that's not the case.

    MLS salaries:

    2013 - 14 MLS players made $500k+ per year.

    2023 - 27 make $2 million+
    2023 - 54 make more than $1.5 million
    2023 - 99 make $1 million+
    2023 - 214 make $600k+

    Up until 2007 - no designated players.

    2013 - 33 designated players
    2023 - 79 designated players

    2013 - 33 players from Brazil and Argentina
    2023 - 79 players from Brazil and Argentina

    2013 - 144 foreign player slots
    2023 - 232 foreign player slots

    2013 - average age of Americans turning pro, around 21
    2023 - average age of Americans turning pro, around 18

    If look at the make up of USL Championship rosters today, American college grads, Central American and Caribbean players, they look remarkably similar to MLS rosters 10 or 15 years ago.
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From Capology.

    MLS salaries compared to other top leagues (Saudi Pro not available)

    Average Payroll

    England1 $115,032,500
    Spain $63,694,620
    Germany1 $57,990,600
    Italy $55,367,928
    France $43,417,200
    England2 $21,522,708
    Turkey $20,342,988
    Brazil $17,704,750
    MLS $14,378,726
    Germany2 $12,787,800
    Portugal $12,525,000
    Mexico $10,758,056
    Netherlands $10,204,200
    Belgium $9,136,116
    Scotland $8,544,167
    Switzerland $7,533,000
    Austria $6,845,400
    Argentina $5,519,500

    Median Payroll

    England1 $93,742,500I
    Italy $35,494,200
    Germany1 $34,322,400
    Spain $31,039,200
    France $23,279,400
    England2 $15,380,625
    Brazil $14,635,0002
    Turkey $13,915,000
    MLS $13,251,000
    Germany2 $9,579,600
    Mexico $9,092,500
    Switzerland $7,020,000
    Netherlands $5,940,000
    Portugal $5,616,000
    Belgium $5,398,089
    Austria $4,698,000
    Argentina $4,970,000
    Scotland $3,551,875
     
  25. chaski

    chaski Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    redacted
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    Now it’s starting to make sense ;)

     
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