Soccer, Sports and Politics - Part Deux

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by argentine soccer fan, Feb 12, 2024.

  1. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bit sensitive? ;) I was being a bit sarcastic. But, as a starting striker, he is expected to score when he is provided the ball, which he has been. Yet, his service has been far better than the other's I mentioned.

    As for Kane, it looks to me like England have a disjointed attack, and really looks like he, Bellingham, and Foden haven't ever been on the same pitch together, ever. Personally, I think Foden should be a sub as he clogs up the middle with his lack of passing.
     
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  2. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    @yossarian Kane and Jude are fine the problem is Foden. He has the best PR team in the world. Despite underwhelming performance, one after another, he stays and the blame is always else where.
     
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  3. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I'm old enough to remember Cruyff and total football so yeah, I do. Go beat England!
     
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  4. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    What about the Raptors, when they beat the Warriors? If I remember correctly he was there with them, the whole series.
     
  5. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    To be fair, he had a very good season. It's just with England that he doesn't seem to fit.
     
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  6. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It's not quite there yet, but I thought my guys played better today than they've been playing. Hopefully they'll peak in the final.
     
  7. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    It's his performance with England, I have an issue with. The thing is England needs another pure Winger there like Saka. A guy who is a 10 like wing doesn't work. Especially with no overlapping LB cause Southgate only took 1 LB. A Healthy Luke Shaw will help the attack but using Gordon out there would be better.
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This is nonsense.

    Havertz had .4 XG of chances vs Spain. Exactly the same as Füllkrug.

    Havertz best chance was a .2 XG chance - so there was not an expectation he'd score even once.

    Lastly - at club level, Havertz has scored at a rate equal to his XG

    You could argue he could shoot more, but the idea he can't score is being based off a small sample size of 5 games
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Boehly is going to pool his player contracts in to a triple AAA rated security and sell of the mezz tranche to fan investors
     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    +1

    I looked in to all of this because it seemed odd that Nagelsmann is such an intelligent manager who transformed Germany into a top 2 side at the tournament from utter dog shit in less than a year but also is so stupid he doesn't realise to start the striker with a mediocre club record from a struggling BVB

    As you say, Havertz is critical to the highly vertical style of club football he has germany playing. And he scores at his XG. The actual problem is germany don't create enough big chances.
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    France pulled a germany '18

    Too much loyalty to old players from retirement leagues while a midfielder who starts for arguably the best club side in the world can't get in the team.

    Bring on 37 year old Giroud - lol he was old in the halcyon days of 2018!
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This is a great example of how eyeballing the game can deceive.

    I also thought Havertz was too wasteful and Fülle more likely - but their performance was the same. based on a few low quality chances.

    It was actually Müller who wasted the best chance of the game but no one mentions it.
     
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  13. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Oooh, disagree with the Kane part. He's been awful. Looks like he's carrying a knock of some sort. Slow, isn't running, just clogs up space for Bellingham and Foden. Even the Spurz supporters on the Guardian podcast think he's been poor. Watkins or even Toney would at least make runs and drag defenders out of spaces.

    And I'm not saying Foden has been good---far from it. But I'd be curious how he'd do if he actually had a striker who ran to play off of---like Haaland does.
     
  14. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    And Spain had the best 6/8 in the world (yes, it pains me to say that) making sure Musiala had very few opportunities to do damage.
     
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  15. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Hey! Don't slander Big Sexy on the verge of his conquering Hollywood!
    :D
     
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  16. So you're looking forward to what Gakpo is going to do to him?
     
  17. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah.....Football is not coming home anytime soon....
     
  18. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Having said that I do not think Giroud starting could be worse than both Thuram or Kolo Muani, both rather very average players. At least with Giroud, you know what to expect.
    Which MF are you talking about ? Camavinga? Not impressed by his Euro when he started or played.

    He had a really poor Euro. As a matter of fact, he has been transparent as well with PSG most of the year and specially in UCL.
     
  19. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    I don't understand? Do to Kane? I didn't realize Gakpo was playing in defense now?
     
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  20. Ah, I misunderstood your post.
    Forget it.
     
  21. yossarian

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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Ok. Nothing against Gakpo. I wanted Arsenal to buy him before he went to Liverpool.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Even Rice has looked poor in possession for England

    The team's just tactically busted
     
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  23. russ

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    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Southgate master class.
    Why are all these coaches trotting out over 30s? Bruce Arena told us all that international soccer is a young man's game.
     
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  24. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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    Ouch!
     
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  25. superdave

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    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Y’all are missing a very exciting match, 1-1, each side has hit the woodwork, 30’ in.
     

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