Soccer, Sports and Politics - Part Deux

The exact comment, as translated, was that this was going to be the first team against the reserves. It was about player quality!

The Argie in question is described as a famous streamer. Does anyone know what he said about the bus ride in 2022? Because as a glib reaction to Senegal being drawn against France, I still don’t get the controversy except as a good example of how social media works.

Did anyone commenting here watch the show last Friday? I was sick with the flu shot so I did. That’s my context. It had already come up.

Racism would be if he had gone the Campanis route and said the Senegalese players lack the necessities to play for France.

 

And here I thought you'd be all pumped for a Whitesplain of the latest Argie world football racism.

 

We all saw how dave conducted himself when he thought he was going to spend his life in one kind of America (pre-11/5) and behaved accordingly. He thought Kamala would win and he'd forever be able to plausibly deny the things I and Charlie and DT and Song and Sounders understand in greater detail than he understands... well, anything.

NOWWWWWWW, we know he knows at last what America is, because he has to read it every day. Must be pretty painful to believe so deeply in an idea only to see the idea decide for itself that it ain't what you want it to be...

Dave's wife is from abroad and likely prefers the creature comforts of this country to being a majority at home with less firsthand racism. Dave is White He hasn't had that talk* about avoiding obstacles deliberately placed in your path to survival. There's no way he can pass that knowledge on to the next generation.

*It's a lot like the one you get the first teacher meeting before school begins. Common sense stuff like not being alone in a room with a female student (my approach was to say on Day 1, "Ladies, if you have reason to see me on my planning, bring a friend. Simple as that, no offense for you to take. We both avoid any issues". As delivered from every responsible Black parent to their male child, no closed doors, no dark hallways, stay in groups of more than two, that sort of thing. Same with a Black daughter, but the idea would be to avoid rape by one of them.

 

It most definitely was NOT about player quality. You are chosing to interpret it that way, that is your prerrogative of course.

But I can tell you as a born and raised latino that comment was about race, specifically poking fun at France as a "white" country for "having to rely" on players of african descent.

 

You know, if I or anyone else did this, where we made a statement as if it were fact but backed it up with no credible evidence, you would be up in arms and throwing accusations left and right.

It's really time you started practicing what you preach - your hypocrisy is so blatant it has become expected by the rest of us.

 

Umm, the joke here is that Senegal is having to rely on French players, not the other way around

What else distinguishes the first team from the reserves if it’s not player quality?

 

Good question. Since the only source is post 8328, how do you propose we answer it?

 

If you mean me saying that yes, I know Belgium and Tromso aren’t in France, what would you suggest?

If you mean looking at the Wikipedia entries of the goal scorers, whom I helpfully listed, well, here ya go. Check my work

https://www.wikipedia.org/

 

You know what they say... he won't get it

“Privilege is invisible to those who have it.”

 

Upon Further Review…maybe the issue is that in my mind Zidane and Mbappe are French, but to yall they’re Algerian and Cameroonian/Algerian respectively? Is that the disconnect? Because that’s the only way it makes sense to get this joke backwards, and you aren’t the only one who has done that.

 

You said, and I quote: "the issue is how many Senegalese players are eligible for France."

Of the 5 players you listed, you provided evidence of potential French eligibility for only one of them. That's it. You haven't supported your assertion at all.

edit: And I might add that you also suggested if they started their career in Europe it might be indicative of a connection to France. If so, then perhaps you need to be reminded that Tromso, Norway is NOT part of the EU.

 

Ok, I understand now.

We’re calling this Iriondo guy racist, right? Because in a live stream reacting to the draw, he made this comment about Senegal being the reserves and France the first team?

To me, given that I watched a show that had referenced this, and referenced Morocco 2022, and referenced Senegal 2002, I interpreted his comment as a soccer comment like the other soccer comments. Iriondo was on there with Sergio Aguero, not an Argentine expert on French colonialism, but a footballer. So without anything more than an image of a tweet, I’m assuming Iriondo was making an unremarkable soccer comment.

 

The racism in his comment isn't about thinking Senegal is an "inferior" team, but rather about believing that because they're black, they're not french. People started to believe that black french players are not french when most if not all of them are born and/or raised in France.
So his "joke" was basically that France was the A team because they got the "good senegalese players" while the "bad ones" went for Senegal
I don't want to "defend" them because I hate most of argentinian streamers and Aguero, but if they think that playing for Senegal is inferior than playing for France is more because of football history than racism.
Also I don't think that anybody in that stream had the necessary IQ to know that Senegal was a colony of France, it would be too complex for their brain to elaborate a comment like that.

 

Isn’t racism being negative toward people because of race? It can take many forms, but that’s the gist of it. So the argument here is that dual Nats who have to settle for the reserves (can you clowns at least concede that the reserves are worse than the first team? Can we agree on that at least for Christ sake?) are part of the athletically inferior race and that’s the racism?

Because if that is what @charlie15 believes, he’s had enough chances to say so.

 

You seem to know these guys, but to me, the Senegalese players representing Senegal and not France is what tells me they’re not French. If they were French…they’d be French!

 

Thanks France!

 

They could also feel french and senegalese, I'm not from a diaspora, but I tent to think that people can feel a strong conection with two countries at the same time, the one you were born and raised, and the ones your parents come from, at the end of the day nationality is just a political thing
Retegui choose to play for Italy and not for Argentina, and I still think he is argentinian.

 

LOL ok man, you are right and everybody else is wrong, including those of us that actually can get the gist of the comment as it was spoken. It's actually pretty funny that you are trying to explain the joke to me

Like my grandma used to say, "no hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver".

 

And as someone who is half-French, half-American and raised in England, I felt a strong connection to all three countries growing up.

 

It's like a deaf guy telling everyone who heard an explosion* that they couldn't have heard anything because he didn't hear it.


*I was going to say a dog whistle but decided it would only confuse a certain poster even more

 

Dude, I am, done trying to engage with you.. As Barney Franck used to say, it is like talking to a dining table. ...You are an utter moron.

 

Tell me you don't have a clue about racism and how it works, w/out telling me you do not have a clue about racism.

PS. For good measure, you can also try to lecture a black man about racism too.....
GTFOH.