Soccer, Sports and Politics - Part Deux

Blair Bartlett comes in 2nd in Nike XC Nationals by a second.

Down the stretch at around 17:30 mark

 

There don't seem to be any threads about the upcoming WC anywhere on BS. Maybe I should start one.

 

That level of casual racism and utter stupidity......SMFH...

An Argentine streamer made a joke about France's World Cup draw, which left Sergio Agüero laughing.

Sergio Agüero: "France play against who?"

Facundo Iriondo, argentine streamer: "France – Senegal. It's the first team against the reserves." pic.twitter.com/AzLqb8Iq0s

— 𝒍𝒊𝒍𝒄𝒉𝒊𝒃𝒘𝒊𝒃𝒘𝒊 𝑫𝒂 𝒗𝒊𝒏𝒄𝒊 (@fahdswaleh) December 7, 2025

 

Of the 12 teams in the CFP, there’s 3 Union states, Oklahoma which wasnt a state, and the rest are from the Confederacy.

Of course, the REAL factor is, which states had cities big enough to be in the Major Leagues in the 1950s and which didn’t? Because looked at that way, Ohio I believe is the lone outlier.

How is it racist?

 

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You are such a low rent troll…..

 

The racism is because Senegal is a former colony of France, the French national team will identify the best players of Senegalese descent and recruit them to play for France, and the Senegalese who aren't good enough to play for France will play for Senegal. Because - according to these Argentinians who are streaming this - playing for Senegal is lesser than playing for France. Because Senegal is in Africa and the players are Black. That's how calling Senegal the "reserves" of France is racist.

 

Didn’t Algeria also suffer the same criticism? Except I guess they had several white/white-passing players who could never make the French 1st team.

 

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How is it not ? It's not the first time the Argentinians make these kinds of verbal remarks, by the way.

 

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They have a whole song about it....basically, saying that since the players are black, they can't be French and are all Africans.

 

Also, if I can get in their dopey brains, France is a white European country and now their team is almost all black and that's F'd up and laughable. Argentina has never had to resort to N-words and we win World Cups anyway.

 

The Argentinian team sang a song, after last Copa America final, that said something like "They're from Angola but play for France". It is consistent and sustained.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/spa/franci...ebración-de-los-jugadores-argentinos/84101891

If you want to read the lyrics... (open) If you want to read the lyrics... (close)

«Juegan por Francia, pero vienen de Angola, qué lindo es, van a correr, es un come travas (travestis) como el ******** de Mbappé. Su vieja es nigeriana, su viejo camerunés, pero en el documento nacionalidad francesa», dice el cántico.

So not only racist, but xenophobic and transphobic.

 

Some Argentinians recently were very cross with a Mexican media outlet when their U17 WC team was labeled as "waiters", in reference to the many Argentinian immigrants in Latin America who work as such.

 

I think Los Meseros has a nice ring to it

 

So this is amazing:

Seattle World Cup Organizing Committee's Pride Match will feature Egypt v Iran

It won't be part of the game or in-stadium itself, but in the fan events around town.

 

Not trying to indict Moishe, Boca Fan, or ASF --they are the good ones-- but my God, the rest of those people seem to have no memory of their own cultural shortcomings. every time someone even remotely affiliated with Argentina tries to claim offense at a fun take like this, someone needs to play video and audio of the things they said about Kylian Mbappe.

 

Guess the only thing worse would be a FIFA Women's Day match with Iran & Saudi Arabia

 

No, it’s because France won in 2018 and only lost in 2022 on PKs, and so France has a very strong claim to be the best team on Earth.

Senegal does not have such a claim. Race isn’t relevant to those facts.

Soccer fans know this. Soccer fans might have caught others making the same comment after the draw. Soccer fans certainly remember the Morocco team of 2022. Old soccer fans remember a bit about Senegal’s 2002 team.

Non soccer fans won’t get it.

Which is fine under normal circumstances, but this being a SOCCER FORUM, I’m embarrassed for you and @charlie15 .

You and Charlie should learn about soccer before commenting on soccer.

 

White man trying to "teach" black man about racism...Haven't seen this before?
You are such an a clown and a joke....You are the only one here and in the media in general not to notice the obvious. This has been dissected all over in Senegal, France and Europe and called out for the blatant racism that it is. It is in the same vein of the infamous racist and homophobic song of two years ago that got Enzo Fernandez in hot waters.

Argentina: racist excesses accumulate
It was in an informal exchange that things escalated. Agüero asked his interlocutors who France was going to play against during the first round of the American World Cup. The response of Facundo Iriondo burst out: “France-Senegal. It’s the first team against the reserves. »

Yet another racist slip-up which clearly did not bother Agüero. Despite his status and the link he had with several French players in his first football life, the former goleador laughed heartily. An embarrassing moment to discover on video.
https://frenchfootballweekly.com/20...ck-a-racist-slip-up-live-for-the-blues-video/


2026 World Cup: "France-Senegal, the first team against the reserves," the racist joke that made Agüero laugh
https://www.seneweb.com/en/news/Spo...ist-joke-that-made-aguero-laugh_n_476668.html

 

No, I’m trying to teach you about soccer.

One reason I’m not having the same reaction as you and smurfquake is that I watched the draw and heard the commentary. I devoured online content Friday afternoon. I’d already seen similar comments, and also references to Senegal 2002 and Morocco 2022. And being a fan of the sport, I’d already noticed the high portion iof French players who are also eligible for this or that African nation.

It might still be the case, but I know a few years back, the Mexican women’s team had a huge number of players from America who weren’t good enough for us. When journos wrote about that, was that racist too?

It’s a sign of how shitty this forum is compared to the past (seriously, just dig up a couple random threads from 10-15 years ago) that it’s a point of contention that the French national team has more recent success than Senegal. Should I just link to fifa.com for backup?

Now, your argument relies a hell of a lot on this rando Iriondo being Argentine. You’re associating him with racist things other Argentines have said. If you put on your thinking cap I’ll bet you can think of an English word that describes judging someone based on his nationality.

 

You are trying to be a contrarian but you can't be that stupid and dense....That has nothing to do soccer.
Since you mentioned it, how many French NT players (from the last call up) are eligible to play for Senegal...? let me help...NONE...
Anyway, go tell the French and the Senegalese it is not "racist but just about soccer".....

France : le dérapage raciste de Sergio Agüero et des streamers argentins
https://www.footmercato.net/a3482820358348039167-france-le-derapage-raciste-de-kun-aguero-et-des-streamers-argentins

 

And trust me....Instead of coming back here and acknowledge he is wrong, he will double down on his garbage.....SMFH.

 

That’s not the issue, the issue is how many Senegalese players are eligible for France.

I guess I’m learning about different corners of bigsoccer. In the soccer sections, nobody is or would be talking about this because (I’m repeating myself) pundits already made these comments, AND we just had a World Cup where the first ever African team made the semifinals, and used many Frenchmen to do it AND the Senegal 2002 opener vs. France was a pretty famous match.

Senegal just won a friendly 8-0. Their goal scorers

Nicolas Jackson, whom Wikipedia says was born in either Gambia or Senegal and started his career in Africa
Sadio Mane’s first pro club was Metz
el Hadji’s first pro club was Tromso
Ibrahim Mbaye was born in France
Cherif Ndiaye’s first club was in Belgium

That’s all the research I feel like doing right now. So you’ve got 5 goal scorers, one started his pro career in Africa, the rest in Europe, 2 specifically in France.

 

You do realize Tromso and Belgium are not in France, right?

Starting your pro career in France does not inherently make you French. Sadio Mane was born in Senegal.

If your argument is "how many of the Senegalese players are French as well", you might want to actually list relevant information; where they first played is not inherently indicative of their citizenship.

 

yes

I didn’t go far enough into player bios to see if the ones not born in France were signed from Senegal, or if they were already living in the EU. Likely the latter given player movement rules, but like I said, I didn’t dive any deeper than that.