Soccer, Sports and Politics - Part Deux

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  1. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yeah, Bonds and ARod definitely. I think Clemens too, his achievements are too good to say that it was only because of the steroids, so I'd vote for him. Palmeiros I agree, I don't think he should make it.
     
  2. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Bonds should make it just based on what he did before he even set foot in San Francisco.
     
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  3. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    He shouldn't have roided his way past Aaron, if he wanted into the HOF.

    FFS, its both sides of the BALCO Bay, what with Canseco, et al on one side, and bonds on the other.
     
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  4. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Different games.

    A game in soccer is 90 minutes, + injury time.
    A game in baseball is 27 outs long.
     
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  5. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    #6205 Val1, May 14, 2025
    Last edited: May 14, 2025
    Well, it's baseball going woke.

    I've been against Rose's induction forever, but if the powers that be were going to relent, then this was the easy compromise. Put him in after he's died so he can't enjoy it. And I do expect him to get in on first ballot with the veteran's committee.

    Well, I'm a Pirates fan, so seeing everyone's enjoyment at my misery back in the 90s makes me hate everyone here! And I have no love of Bonds, for leaving and becoming great and for using the steroids, but the baseball armor slight always baffles me. It was perfectly legal and I spent a lot of time wondering why more batters didn't adopt same.

    Nah. Clemens is an easy call pre-steroids.

    He started using, we think, in his second year in Toronto. By which time he'd already won four Cy Youngs and one MVP. That's easily enough to get in.

    Of course not. Hitting .300 is amazing, especially these days. But Gwynn's .338 and Carew's .328 lifetime averages aren't going to get them into the pantheon. They were great hitters, and actually a ton of fun to watch, but when they are your teams' best hitters, you'll notice that not a lot silverware has followed them.

    And since we're talking baseball...

    Trivia Question: Which player has broken up the most no-hit shutouts? Stats are a bit hard to come by for this sort of thing, so you'll have to show your work.
     
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  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    If you want to have a Roid Wing in Cooperstown one day, maybe I can see that. But let's not pretend Barroid has the HR record. His head was so f-ing big I saw it from Jersey.
     
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  7. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    No.

    Bonds played seven seasons for the Pirates. His first four years he averaged .260ish with 20 HRs and 55 RBIs. Obviously he got better with age/experience in his next three years, winning two MVPs and finishing second, leading the majors in WAR all three seasons.

    But that's not getting him into the Hall.
     
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  8. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    In Gwynn's case, that's purely a result of the team he played for. The game was different back then, or anytime before 2000. You could certainly win silverware if you didn't have a better hitter than Tony Gwynn. The 1985 Cardinals jump to mind immediately. They hardly hit any HRs but were the most exciting team to watch back then and got to the World Series.
     
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  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    The Vitamin B12 Rocket was washed at the end of his Sawx tenure too. Then he magically rejuvenated himself through hard work & perseverance. :laugh:
     
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  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, he’s just not “the best hitter I ever saw.”
     
  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very clever reference have some rep
     
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  12. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    This exemplifies how subtle accents other than the really stark Northeast ones are. I would never have guessed where they were from
     
  13. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bonds played on better teams, so of course more runs were scored (and I'm talking Pirates). Gwynn played for a woeful San Diego, and Carew played for the Twins when they sucked, and the Angles when they sucked. But both Gwynn and Carew, to me, were better batters.
     
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  14. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, Pirlo is not that good because he didn't score many goals? But Andy Cole is much better because he scored more goals? :confused:
     
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  15. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think he had long enough of a career before he BALCOed to warrant him being in the Hall.
     
  16. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, I really thought he was better with the Pirates, as in a .300 hitter. I guess I should have looked that up before posting. :oops:
     
  17. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How could a team not be exciting with the Wizard at shortstop.
     
  18. Val1

    Val1 Member+

    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Well, he was. For three years. Just not HoF worthy in his time in Pittsburgh alone.
     
  19. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So your main qualification is hitting it far.

    Noted.
     
  20. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    No, no, sir.

    Posting unsubstantiated claims, and unresearched ideas is the cornerstone of nearly all trumpy posters around these parts. They play their game, so why not you, too?



    You keep right on doing the same, sir. With pride!!!
     
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  21. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
  22. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dunno, but here's another bit of trivia I saw on a men's room wall at Fenway Park:

    Someone wrote: "Jesus is the answer"
    Someone else wrote: "What is the question?"
    Another person wrote: "Which of the 3 Alou brothers never played for the Yankees?
     
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  23. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Saw this graffiti in the bathroom of one of my favorite neighborhood bars....

    Person 1: "The chick in the corner booth is hot!"
    Persons 2: "Temporally specific graffiti like this is not very helpful."
     
  24. Well, someone in Rotterdam put on a wall the text: Jezus komt.=Jesus comes
    Someone else added: Zet je fiets op slot=lock your bike

    Netherlands has a severe problem of bike theft.
     
  25. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    The least that guy could have done was to get her phone number and posted it. :(
     

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