Soccer, Sports and Politics - Part Deux

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by argentine soccer fan, Feb 12, 2024.

  1. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Of course, but MLS still needs to develop the tradition and improve the ambiance. When I go watch the MLS Quakes the experience is not quite there yet, it still has the feel of a minor league game. And on TV that translates as well.

    By contrast, I watch a top match from the Argentine league, and (because they pouch our top players) the talent is not at the level of the EPL or other top European leagues, but we have the tradition and the rivalries, as well as the ambiance and the high level pressure, high level tactics, coaching etc. Having grown up immersed in it, I enjoy it even more than the top European matches.

    College football has some of what the Argentine league has, in terms of the tradition, rivalries, ambiance etc. The high level tactics, coaching and high pressure are also there. Obviously most of the kids who play college ball are not talented enough to become pros, but college football does offer a lot of things that MLS doesn't offer yet, and is still (hopefully) in the process of growing into.

    It's a long process to establish a sport, even one as exciting as soccer, in a country that already has several other traditional favorite sports, but (as the Beatles might sing) I have to admit it's getting better. Better players, better coaching, better tactics. Unfortunately I see the improvement more in the opponents than in our home team :(
     
    superdave, M, Auriaprottu and 3 others repped this.
  2. Well, or 1850:
    upload_2024-9-20_19-55-9.jpeg
     
  3. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Quakes are minor league, unfortunately. That's Garber's fault for letting the original team move. The atmosphere in Columbus is 1000x better now that we have a great new building that sells out almost every week. And owners that care.
     
    rslfanboy, Mike03, Deadtigers and 5 others repped this.
  4. upload_2024-9-20_19-58-7.gif
    Comparing both maps I don't think Chelsea or Totally Hotshits qualify as London clubs for the 1850iers.
     
  5. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    And, you had Guillermo Barros Schelotto!
     
    luftmensch, bigredfutbol and stanger repped this.
  6. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Gino Padula, who still lives here!
     
  7. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    <stares in DC United>
     
    raza_rebel, rslfanboy, Mike03 and 4 others repped this.
  8. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get blank stares when i try to explain to the younger Nordeckians on my hate of DC. Crew had some great teams in the first years of the league but could never get past DC.

    The kids will do the chants but don't understand the history :mad:
     
    Deadtigers, Dr. Wankler and bigredfutbol repped this.
  9. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been listening to a podcast called Founding Football. If you haven't heard of it, this sort of journalist Kent Malmros has been doing pods on what he believes have been foundational moments in U.S. soccer/football. For instance, the first one was about the U.S. victory over England in the 1950 World Cup. Another was about Paul Caligiuri's "shot heard round the world." etc. Anyway, the one I listened to most recently was with Agoos and the start up of MLS. Pretty good listen. Whatever one thinks of Agoos's latter days with the U.S. team, he's an intelligent guy with some interesting insights about the genesis of the league.
     
    bigredfutbol, rslfanboy, Mike03 and 5 others repped this.
  10. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    TL; DR version: I don’t care about X so therefore nobody else should care about X either.

    And why is it “creepy and weird” to watch teens play a sport, unless you’re for some reason sexualizing teenagers? I grew up in a town where the Friday night football game was an actual community event where people would show up whether or not they had a kid playing. It wasn’t something my family did, but who cares if other people find enjoyment in watching their local team live?
     
  11. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Go Dawgs!
     
    Auriaprottu and luftmensch repped this.
  12. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, Rams!

    IMG_4899.jpeg
     
    Auriaprottu and yossarian repped this.
  13. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Tell you what:

    You go ahead and tell us how the parents of HS children would like having some unkown adult weirdo who has no connection to the school, showing up for not only HS games, but in Auria's words, "all HS extracurriculars?"

    Sorry, but once one becomes a man/woman, (s)he should give up childish things. Like watching children play sports. (Unless the children are theirs, they work at the school, or have some other previous connection to the students.)

    People graduate, and move on in life.

    I'm sure Goober and Barney got their jollies watching Opie run around, but thats a bit anachronistic in 21st Century America.

    Where I grew up, if you weren't connected in some way to the school and you showed up to HS extracurriculars, you just might end up beaten by some off duty CPD parent.
     
  14. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My condolences for growing up in such a shitty place. In nicer towns most parents are happy to have other residents of their town cheer on their kids.

    We also had a huge community turnout for the annual high school musical, which was held at a large local venue. Creepy, right?
     
  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Except I was alive 50-60 yeas ago. I wasn't in the 1850's, so...
     
    dapip and Dr. Wankler repped this.
  16. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    What a weird argument.

    HS sports and music/theatre events are great community activities in our area.
     
    MattR, soccernutter, Mike03 and 3 others repped this.
  17. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And the money people pay to see those events helps to support those programs.
     
    MattR, soccernutter, Mike03 and 2 others repped this.
  18. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Sorry to cut across here but, is it not possible that some people might retain a connection to their old school or college, (through friends kids or other relationships), or a general sense of community which other adults may also feel, whilst others may not?

    Just a thought :)
     
  19. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My son's HS (no, he wasn't in it) did a production of Grease last year---holy crap, I couldn't believe how well it was done. You'd be an asshole not to support that sort of thing.
     
    MattR, soccernutter, Mike03 and 3 others repped this.
  20. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Meh, I think a Global Alpha City does just fine without watching children's activities, but thanks.
     
  21. chaski

    chaski Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    redacted
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Guam
    “I’m never goin’ back to my old school.”
     
    rslfanboy and Q*bert Jones III repped this.
  22. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    But based on your fandom, you're kinda-sorta in a backwater, yes?

    Still not a compelling argument, but YMMV.
     
  23. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wtf is a global alpha city? Sounds like where Elon Musk would prefer to grow his test tube offspring.

    But what do I know, I just grew up in the out-of-the-way podunkville that is LA County.
     
    superdave repped this.
  24. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
  25. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah, I just don’t live on top of a thousand strangers.

    Weird flex, but you do you.
     

Share This Page