Soccer, Sports and Politics - Part Deux

Dutch conservatism is why the Van Halen brothers left and came here to America. Shame Eddie didn't live long enough to see things change for the better, there or here.

 

If they stuck around in Clogland, I could see Eddie as the flashy striker, smoking cigs on the bench & driving a Ferrari and Alex beimg the steady fullback. Wolfgang would be up in the stands eating all the pies, of course.

 

Michael Anthony is the steady fullback. Someone mentioned a while back that he's the only one who saved his money. I mean, they ain't broke, but he's been wiser financially.

I didn't learn until after he had died that their mom was Indonesian and that they caught shit because of that.

 

DLR or Hagar in goal?

 

Well both are really strikers but Hagar all day!!

 

Wolfie in goal. He played an instrument. DLR and Hagar get walked out at the beginning like children.

I'm sorta kidding. I don't care for DLR's or Hagar's antics*, but I admit that Dave could sing, and that he (or whoever suggested it if it wasn't him) came up with some decent harmonizing. Not Phil Collins- level harmonizing (which was unique in rock), but cool. Sammy was one of a hundred Robert Plant wannabes who charted, but at least he played guitar onstage.

*In the context of VH, they were doing what they were supposed to do. I just didn't like their videos as much as I respected their talent.

 

So Shannon Sharpe....

 

This isn't a "perfect cross for Cascarinoooooooooooo," but it's his latest, posted this afternoon.

 

Boy....are all the other teams in for it now. Pochettino is going to transform the USMNT into a force to be reckoned with by next Tues.

 

I'm in the camp of "don't ape Plant if you're not in Zeppelin". That pretty much leaves Screechy Sammy out. And it doesn't really have to be that derivative for me to shut off when I hear it. Just one man's take. I almost want to say it's like Sammy wants to be taken seriously. VH is just for fun, tho, and DLR understood that.

 

That's a great way to characterize it.

 

For sure. DLR would somehow make a save then turn to the crowd with a big grin tsking in the applause as the opponent quickly advances & scores.

 

Definitley prefer Van Halen I over Van Hagar. The boom-thump drum and bass of the Hagar radio hits are kinda lame IMO but still listenable. Similar to me when you look at 70s Aerosmith vs late 80s Aerosmith.

 

DLR would make Renee Higeta(sp? @dapip ) blush if he was keeper.

 

What about 90s Aerosmith and their MTV mini movie videos?

 

I'm just a gigolo
And every save I blow
People know the part I'm playin

Higuita

 

I already in the racism thread made clear it's bullshit. Only source is Roth.
My family has a large contingent of in the Dutch Indies born members, ranging from lily white to black Moluccans. My family is a mix of colonials and colonized. A branch of my mother's family is a Dutch Indies mix of Jews and Javanese.
As a matter of fact I was born there. Three of my mothers nieces married black Moluccans in the 1952-1955 years. As a 6 yo kid at primary school I had two Dutch Indo kids and a Moluccan kid around and we never experienced any maltreatment whatsoever.
In fact one of those Dutch-Indo kids and I were put in an elite class of 8 for extra attention of the head of the school for preparement for the high school. To put it into context I was already in primary school when they were just born and by the time they were old enough for their first schoolday colored kids were with white kids in a separate elite class. Racism my ass.
I from personal experience can call that story fake. In fact, the kids with red hair or a disability because of polio or were very long were the ones getting bullied.
Anyway, the van Halen's moved to the States when the kids hardly had any school years under their belt. One year, at most two years as 6 yo/7 yo.
We Dutch Indies, white, mixed or black Moluccans all felt mistreated by the Dutch government. Not because of racism, which would be odd for the pure white ones, but because of feeling denied the recognition of what has happened to us in the Japanese occupation and Bersiap years. The attitude of the Dutch that they had suffered so much under the German rule, belitteling the suffering of the Dutch and Dutch Indo people by the hands of the Japanese army and in the revolution years by the hands of the Pemuda/Hizbullah with babies, white and mixed ones speared with bamboo spears didnot make you feel recognized.
So yes, their mother being half Dutch/half Javanese and their white father feel mistreated, but racism like that Roth dude in that interview was spouting is simply fake news.

 

@argentine soccer fan
The star of the Orange Squad Reijnders (Dutch Moluccan Indo by the way) with a shirt that got noticed in Agentina:



Mirá la remera que se puso Tijjani Reijnders después de hacerle un gol a Alemania.

UN HOLANDÉS MARADONEANO. pic.twitter.com/4xlBFqEUrh

— Sudanalytics (@sudanalytics_) September 11, 2024

Mirá la remera que se puso Tijjani Reijnders después de hacerle un gol a Alemania.

UN HOLANDÉS MARADONEANO. pic.twitter.com/4xlBFqEUrh

— Sudanalytics (@sudanalytics_) September 11, 2024

 

The Orange Squad more or less is Indonesia's second national team, for the famous players with Dutch Indo roots like van Bronckhorst, Heitinga, Landzaat etc. Especially in the Moluccan Islands the connection is felt strongly.
Their current one is Reijnders:

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...-catcher-told-opposing-hitters-incoming-pitch

Single A catcher is 2 months into his professional career. In a game which eliminated his team from the playoffs, he started telling opposing batters what the pitcher was doing. After the game word got to hitting team’s coaches, who told the other team’s coaches.

Now he is a former single A catcher. Also, his team blew a lead in the pennant race.

Do bookies take enough action on whether or not a Single A team will make the playoffs that this kid could have been betting against his team? I’m trying to think of a number high enough to make it worth the risk, but low enough that the bookie isn’t thinking, nope, this ain’t on the up and up. And I can’t come up with said number.

 

FWIW, here's what Wikipedia says:

Edward Lodewijk Van Halen was born in Amsterdam on January 26, 1955, the son of Jan van Halen and Eugenia (née van Beers). His father was a Dutch jazz pianist, clarinettist, and saxophonist working for the Dutch Air Force, while his mother was an Indo (Eurasian) woman from Rangkasbitung on the island of Java in the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia). After six years in Indonesia, the family relocated to Amsterdam and eventually settled in Nijmegen, Netherlands.

After experiencing mistreatment for their mixed-race relationship in the 1950s, the parents moved the family to the US in 1962. They settled near family members in Pasadena, California, where Eddie and his brother Alex attended a segregated elementary school. Since the boys did not speak English as a first language, they were considered "minority" students and experienced bullying by white students

 

Yeah, but the source they quote is that Roth guy. There's no other source than that one. The bullshit to paint it as if it's the 1950ies confederate states racism is disgusting. I'm one who has direct experience of how the situation was within my family, but also from my neighbourhood. Mixed relations were a matter of fact in the Netherlands, as these were in the colonies. Several black war heroes in the Netherlands were married with white women.
My late aunt eye doctor was this hero, dr. Lashley, married to a white woman and a key figure in the resscuing of Jewish families in the attic of this church.

This guy could drive his car around in occupied Netherlands and go to the farmers to collect food for the Jewish people in hiding.
For those interested in this extraordinary tale:
https://orgelzolders.nl/en/the-story/
Among my parents friends in the neighbourhood I grew up in the 1950ies were two Surinam men married to white women. Never they encountered harassment because of that.
Football fact, the son of one of those couples later became the first foreign national team coach of Japan.
Schoolmates had mixed married parents without any problems. My family scattered around the country had those without problems.
I've been working in several parts of the Netherlands and everywhere there were mixed couples without any problems.
That FRoth guy, depicting it as if we're talking about 1950ies Alabama pisses me off major league.
Even under German occupation the situation for mixed couples in the Netherlands was a paradise compared to current USA.
End last year I had a conversation with my older sister in which she said we were lucky to grow up without racism (compared to nowadays). She talked about a good friend of her, a white woman, who married a black American in the Netherlands. They moved to New York. The marriage didnot last, so she divorced and moved back to the Netherlands with her children. The stories she told my sister about the racism she endured as a mixed couple, from both whites and blacks and the shit her kids got from both whites and blacks too were appalling. And that was around 2000!

 

Wow. That happened in Bull Durham., Once

I read a book about a journeyman's season in the lowest of the low A ball. It was rumored that Spanish speaking catchers would clue in their countrymen at the expense of American teammates, but that was widely assumed to be sour grapes.