Soccer, Sports and Politics - Part Deux

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by argentine soccer fan, Feb 12, 2024.

  1. In that order:D
     
  2. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Was the Gang there with Kool? Did she hum Summer Madness?
     
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  3. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    One game and Knives are already out for Waz! Shame on you lads!
     
  4. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Also I no longer feel sorry for the Aussie Break dancer. More and more stories are coming out about how her and her husband ran the competition to name the Aussie winner and how they made sure some program they ran didn't get the word and didn't fund opponents that would beat her.

    So I guess she got what she deserved.
     
  5. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    For what it's worth, that all was refuted on the news last night here in Melbourne.
     
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  6. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NBC seems to have upped their game for this Oly. I keep seeing interesting things show up, and I'm adding this to my list of great moments. As a runner, I love the entourage.



    Side note, this reminds me of the Swiss runner, Gabriela Anderson, during the 1984 marathon in LA. That day was incredibly hot, and she was incredibly dehydrated and wandering all over the track on the finishing lap. And the crowd cheered her for the entire lap!
     
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  7. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was awesome to watch, thanks.

    Another cool moment from the (men's) marathon. Two-time defending gold medalist Eliud Kipchoge of Kenya - arguably the greatest marathoner of all time - was forced to drop out at the 31km mark. He had walked two kilometers before stopping, and he had about 300 people walk with him that distance. But when he stopped, he waited to formally quit the race until every other runner passed where he was standing, which is in itself very cool.
     
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  8. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Along with being the greatest marathoner, he comes across as a really good human as well.
     
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  9. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He had a really rough year this year because of internet trolls. Some of you will recall that super promising athlete (and marathon record holder) Kelvin Kiptum was killed in a car accident in western Kenya back in February. Because it was Kipchoge's dominance Kiptum threatened, people accused Kipchoge of orchestrating the crash and he and his property were threatened with violence and destruction; it was pretty bad. To stay upright in that kind of shitstorm is amazing.
     
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  10. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I had heard rumors and accusations fly, but I didn’t know he was actually under threat!
     
  11. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It wasn't just because of the dominance, but it drilled down to the tribal level as well. Literally.
     
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  12. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately, tribal rivalries within the same country run deep. That's the root of a lot of the civil wars in Africa. The real tragedy is that they were purposefully pitted against each other in artificially created countries.

    For example, the Maasai were split between British Kenya and what is now Tanzania, which was under German rule at the time. Instead of evolving as their own nation-state, in these new countries, they were placed alongside rival groups, which is really hard to establish any kind of national unity. There are a lot of other similar examples.
     
  13. Yup, just look at the map of the Middle East.
     
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  14. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    It's time to fire Pochettino! :p
     
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  15. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    All of this.
     
  16. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since you mentioned Pochettino, I have never been impressed by him. He had a decent season at Spurs when they went to the CL final but he has been a pretty average manager overall. His football philosophy may be the most opaque if he even has one. @soccernutter , are you excited for your old manager?
     
  17. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's a good mid to upper mid level manager. Espanyol, Southampton, and Spurs are about right. And with Spurs, he did well with the right squad, a team that didn't have the huge egos like PSG or Chelsea. The USMNT is about right, in that regard.

    But he is not the guy to get us to the WC Final...probably. There are times when he has the players he wants, like he did at the clubs I mentioned, and he is fine. And he will get that with the USMNT. Tactically, though, he's not dynamic or hugely inventive, and sometimes slow to adjust, but with a mid to upper mid squad, his obsessiveness will work well. Spurs did make it to the CL final under his care with a bit of luck, but mostly on merit. He'll do better than Berhalter, but I don't expect anything beyond a semifinal, at most. Quarterfinal is where I think he'll get us, depending on the opponent. He's a good stepping stone.
     
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  18. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are hugely optimistic.
     
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  19. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    #3369 M, Aug 15, 2024
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    I've liked Pochettino ever since he gave away a penalty against England in WC 2002 :cool:

    I think he's a touch above a "mid level" manager. He got Spurs to the 2019 CL final, which is as close as they've come to winning anything significant in over half a century. I also wouldn't judge him by his recent stint at Chelsea. That club has "disastrous interfering owners" written all over it.
     
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  20. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3370 bigredfutbol, Aug 15, 2024
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    The 'purposely pitted against each other' part is the important one, I'd argue. This was a common colonial tactic, and the British for one had a shameful track record of hard-wiring sectarian divisions into post-colonial national boundaries.

    "Artificially created countries" kinda bugs me because ALL countries are 'artificially created' to some degree, and very, very few sovereign nations are entirely homogeneous in their ethno-national makeup. What matters is the degree of legitimacy the new state has, and whether or not it can make a complimentary claim to other forms of group membership (tribe, ethnic or sectarian group, etc.). Or to put it more directly--the degree to which the newly-drawn borders and newly-created states are expressions of local self-determination rather than unilaterally imposed by the former imperialist power is the core issue, IMHO.
     
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  21. bigredfutbol

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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seemed like a pretty measured take to me.
     
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  22. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Quarter finals? Yes it is optimistic. I don’t not think that current group of players is good enough to reach a 1/4 final not to mention that I do not believe in Poch either. He is not the type to transform and transcend a group. Klopp would have been a great pick but he wasn’t interested.
     
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  23. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What did you want to see in him?

    That was the perfect squad for Poch - solid up the middle from Lloris to Kane. It was also before Dele mentally broke and was at his peak. And there was no hint that Moura would show up like he did v. Ajax. It was a great squad, just lacked depth. But, he was able to manage it well, and with a few good substitutes, Spurs could have been title winners. But, alas, Levy.

    But the worry is that when he got pressure from expectations, he folded. This is why he failed at PSG. And why he would never succeed at Chelsea. Both places, he was in over his head. And for the same reason, he's never do well with countries like Italy or Spain or Germany. Or Brasil or Argentina. Portugal and Netherlands might be too much, as well. But Switzerland or Japan or Scotland or the US, maybe Senegal, Nigeria, or Cameroon, too, are his sweet spots.
     
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  24. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you are underselling the squad, and Poch, too.

    Transform? Not Poch, but our squad is good enough for quarterfinals. But I agree that Klopp would have been great. Even if he wasn't taking a hiatus, I still think he turns us down.
     
  25. bigredfutbol

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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's optimistic, but hugely optimistic? We're by no means good enough to expect to make the QF, but in 2022 Berhalter was able to make it to the R of 16 with this squad when they were younger and less experienced than they will be in two years. It's not CRAZY optimistic to think that a coach who's almost certainly an upgrade to some degree could do one better.
     
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