SOCCER AMERICA: NY COSMOS are in a complete fiasco

Discussion in 'New York City FC' started by Luis_Rancagua, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. Luis_Rancagua

    Luis_Rancagua Member

    Apr 16, 2000
  2. fifty7

    fifty7 Member

    Oct 27, 2010
    Long Island
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't care who the ownership group is, so long as they're one MLS feels financially comfortable with and they make a decent effort to buy the Cosmos branding.
     
  3. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    STill a lot of twists and turns to go - this explains a lot though.

    It seems though that the issue is not financing - it was rifts with the owners.

    Look - the front office was half soccer guys and half marketing guys - sooner or later those guys were going to but heads but who would have thought it would get this bad

    I think Terry Byrne and Joe Fraga keep their roles.
     
  4. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    While I am concerned, this is not "the latest news". This is an opinion piece by the notoriously anti-British Paul Gardner.
     
  5. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Few interesting tidbits in there that are fact. Opinion yes but the first real item of what the feck is going on in that front office.
     
  6. The 92nd Fish

    The 92nd Fish Member

    Jan 16, 2007
    London, England
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Question: Was that Chuck Blazer stuff just a joke? Because it sounds absolutely ridiculous and Blazer certainly doesn't have the money for it (despite how much he's probably leeched out of FIFA the past so many years). However given the almost soap opera-esque amount of twists and turns this NYC#2 saga has contained I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

    I have no clue how Gardner extrapolated the Cosmos' current failings from being British though, if anyone knows how to sell soccer it's the British and they had a large impact on NASL aswell.
     
  7. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    The question isn't whether Blazer has the money, the question is whether Blazer can put the finance team together to raise the money. He certainly has access to people and entities with real money.
     
  8. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Crazy isn't it? Paul Gardner born 1930 in Ramsgate, England and who has written articles for English publications like The Village Voice, The Times (London), The Guardian (London) and The Independent (London) is anti-British.....
     
  9. PCFC

    PCFC Member

    May 13, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Newry City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still an opinion piece though.
     
  10. Haig

    Haig Member+

    May 14, 2000
    METROSTARS
    Club:
    --other--
    Don't know if you're being ironic, but Metrogo is right to characterize Gardner as anti-British, insofar as England and Scotland (and Wales and even Northern Ireland) don't play much of the technical, possession soccer that Gardner prefers. That's why you see all of his "Latin game" claptrap.
     
  11. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    No I'm not really trying to be. I know that he prefers the Latin style. He has ever since he was writing for Soccer Corner magazine in the late 70's & early 80's. Still being British and from England, you would think he would be a little more sympathetic to English soccer and their players as a rule but he just doesn't like the English game.

    As far as the Cosmos returning, I really hope they do as I worshiped them as a kid. The way PG made it sound though, they really don't seem all that close to coming back.
     
  12. metros11

    metros11 Member

    Sep 11, 1999
    Highlands of NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    +1.
     
  13. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When FCNY was announced - I was at the presser and he was roasting these guys. He killed Doug Peterson for calling it football, he asked if he was ashamed of the US word Soccer.

    Then he roasted them for calling out RB when they were planning to play in Hofstra, and rightfully so.


    He is rough but when he does roast something, he has his reasons and a lot of times I can agree with him.
     
  14. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Honestly Falvo, I'm not all that surprised that he feels the way he feels even though he's English. The English particularly (I can't really say with the other countries) are incredibly myopic. It's like they don't know and don't care that football is being played somewhere else. I hate when they use the word "revelation", as, for example, "Carlos Tevez has been a revelation at West Ham". Uhmmm, no, his talents were long known and recognized, just because it happened in Argentina and Brazil doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    Any Englishman who spends a little time following football outside "jolly ol'" would come to realize just how insulated the fans and the instiutions are in England.
     
  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Gardner is right, PK is out?

    If true, that could be the best thing for the Cosmos, IMHO. Even before Gardner's opinion piece, it was readily apparent that Garber had soured on PK as a member of the MLS ownership group. Getting PK out of the picture could get the Cosmos back to the MLS table, or, at least, make the sale of the brand to the ownership group that is awarded NY2. So, perhaps the turmoil currently going on could be a good thing in the end.
     
  16. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I was on a conference call once with Garber and basically every respected journalist and soccer writer in America ... and all he did was rant and rave in his stupid limey accent (which is not like my highly awesome limey accent) about everything that we were doing wrong because it wasn't like Latin American football and like English football ... I genuilely think he has a screw loose somewhere, it was seriously embarrassing hearing him groaning no matter what Garber said ...

    He is like a mad old dog barking at people in between licking his balls and eating his own shit.
     
  17. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Garber or Gardner?
     
  18. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Both .... Gardner being the mad dog.
     
  19. The 92nd Fish

    The 92nd Fish Member

    Jan 16, 2007
    London, England
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    That's true to a degree in the past but it's changing. In the 1990s Italian football was very popular in the UK and these days it's Spanish football. El Classico gets as much media coverage on Sky Sports as top 4 clashes in the EPL these days. Saying that it's certainly true in regards to MLS, views have changed somewhat since Beckham and then Henry came to the states, but there's still this stupid view that it's at League Two standard and that much of the frivolities of MLS 1.0, crazy kits, penalty shootout, americanisms etc still exist when they've long been abandoned. There's also an increasing respect for the USMNT and not just because of the World Cup result.
     
  20. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was that the call where they made them shut his microphone off?
     
  21. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    I think it's generally true of the new world, not just MLS. Thanks for the civil response to my not terribly civil post. And here's an American smiley emoticon just for you! :)
     
  22. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Yeah, let me put it this way: Chuck Blazer is probably as rich as Dave Checketts is. But Dave Checketts actually represents a group of investors that have much more money.
     
  23. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Exactly. But you and I know the difference. Dave Checketts is an effective person with a serious track record of running organizations effectively. Chuck Blazer is a blowhard at best and corrupt soccer politician at worst who has proven very little.
     
  24. QueensNick

    QueensNick Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    New York City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The most well rounded individual in that ownership group is Curtis Martin
     
  25. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Clearly you haven't seen Blazer.. He is quite round. :)
     

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