Post-match: So what is next for the Democratic Party? (Post 2024)

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Where does the party go after this?

  1. Does the party go right and try to find a new Bill Clinton

    58.6%
  2. Does the party go left to the Bernie Sanders wing

    41.4%
  1. charlie15

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    It is not that he platform,s them...he is a conspiracist himself not to mention he is not a very bright dude either.
     
  2. ElNaranja

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    Hey they're better than the alternative and have been my whole life. But as I institutionalists, they are for helping the people but that is as a consequence of keeping things moving. They didn't rush towards Civil Rights and what not. They had to be dragged. They did the right thing, yes, but not for itself, because they believed in it. They did it to keep their power and keep the machinery of government going.

    In my lifetime an example would be gay rights. Even that they couldn't (or wouldn't in the more uncharitable viewing) lock that down.
     
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  3. Pittsburgh Ref

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    Yep. There's a strong affinity between this and "a lot of people are saying," and in both cases the burden of proof is on sane media to call bullshit.

    One day maybe we will again have sane media!
     
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  4. Kazuma

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    Nah. Trump just has a rabid fanbase that's willing to turn out if he's on the ballot. That, and Trump has a presence in American culture that maybe Obama, Clinton, and Reagan have that most politicians lack.

    Any other GOP politician runs and we'd be talking about President Harris. This wasn't exactly a thumping like some think.
     
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  5. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

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    False. The word salad queen was an exceptionally horrible candidate (Dem primary voters confirmed this in 2020).

    The only reason it was even as close as it was was because of Trump’s polarization among suburban voters in places like Georgia and Wisconsin. If Trump had declined to run and endorsed Rubio or someone similar, it would have been an even bigger blowout considering how disastrous Democrats were on border security and immigration.
     
  6. soccernutter

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    Yeah, but the question is not about him being a conspiracy theorist himself, but how he, as an interviewer, doesn't ever have his guest question their beliefs by asking and expecting critical thinking. By comparison, I'm thinking (off the top of my head) somebody like Terry Gross, who is constantly asking challenging questions to guest she has great respect for.
     
  7. Pittsburgh Ref

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    Yeah Terry Gross is a great interviewer.
     
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  8. dark knight

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    But Trump didn't win because of his rabid fanbase. There may be something to the presence thing, but I don't know how you can discount the disapproval ratings as a factor. Nor how you think Harris could beat any other GOP politician.
     
  9. rslfanboy

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    Terry Gross has been one of the best interviewers over the last several decades. Most anyone would compare unfavorably to her.

    But Rogan doesn’t even try.
     
  10. Kryptonite

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    Go find the Jordan Klepper MAGA thing Comedy Central aired on Monday night. (It's on Paramount+.)

    MAGA is deeply engrained into the younger people, partially because they have current/relevant podcasts and stuff like Turning Point USA and, oh yeah, Donald Trump shows up at UFC events and they've turned UFC into a mini-rally for Trump/MAGA.
     
  11. rslfanboy

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    Ummmm…. Trump carried most all the swing states (AZ included) by 3% or less. His superpower is turning out non traditional voters and lying. If you think that any other politician can get away with what he does, I’d be interested to hear how.

    The real problem Dems have is structural disadvantage in the Senate, and increasingly in the House.
     
  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    "Dems need better candidates" AKA - not black Lib females our super-concerned-about-Dem-politics P&CE ICs would say.

    Trump is already ranked in the bottom 3 of presidents and has a real good chance at being the worst ever. I rank him as a top 5 worst American along with Booth, Dahmer, Clarence Thomas and Anthony Kiedis. Lots of people like Arby's & Taco Bell in this country too.
     
  13. Kazuma

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    To quote Ozymandias from Watchmen, nothing ever ends. Other thing is the abortion thing is going to be what hurt GOP similar to the way busing hurt Dems in the 70s. Turning theory into praxis tends to do that.


    If special elections are anything to go by, GOP will hopefully end up in the wilderness for a generation.
     
  14. Germerica

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    They are not.
     
  15. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

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    Hillary Clinton is black?
     
  16. Dr. Wankler

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    Agreed, but this doesn't seem to damage his appeal as a candidate to huge swatches of the population.
     
  17. soccernutter

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    Surprising no one

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/justice-department-minneapolis-louisville-police-departments/

    Justice Department ending probes of Minneapolis and Louisville police departments

    The Justice Department said Wednesday that it is starting the process of dismissing lawsuits against police departments in Louisville, Kentucky, and Minneapolis, Minnesota, bringing an end to investigations launched during former President Joe Biden's administration. It will also put an end to proposed accountability agreements with the departments.

    ---

    And more from the DoJ

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-supreme-court-doge-foia-lawsuit/

    The Trump administration on Wednesday asked the Supreme Court to halt a lower court order that required the White House's Department of Government Efficiency to turn over information to a government watchdog group in a lawsuit that tests whether the task force is subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

    The request from Solicitor General D. John Sauer arose out of a public records request made by the group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington that sought information about DOGE, its operations and personnel. The watchdog group went on to file a federal lawsuit based on that FOIA request, and, as part of the suit, sought categories of information through the discovery process about DOGE's activities since President Trump took office.

    At least this is protocol for the DoJ to argue the administration's position. Still, DOGE is secret? Will this request tell us who is running DOGE?
     
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  18. ceezmad

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    This is why Democrats can't have nice things.

    Zohran Mamdani is the most pro Palestine politician New York City could have, but it is never good enough, you have to be pure.

     
  19. ceezmad

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    Sure, but that on it's own did not make him MAGA, stupid yes.

    Another thing on why we can't have a 'liberal Rogan' is because our coalition is diverse so we would need multiple Rogans.
     
  20. Knave

    Knave Member+

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    Yup.

    And here's the crazy part: the only thing that activist's position does is make it more likely that the only "freedom" that Palestine will have is freedom from existence. It's all so insane.
     
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  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Who's this "our" you're referring to? You're an IC and probably to the right of that
     
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  22. Pittsburgh Ref

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  23. soccernutter

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    I don't get your point.

    :confused: You thing the entire universe of MAGA blindly agrees with EVERYTHING? Your example of the Palestine/Israel thing is doing the right wing's job of making it disproportionate. That issue is really small potatoes in terms of what matters, and every time anybody makes some comment of "this is why we can't have nice things" because of that issue is just making it bigger than it is. The issues you are trying to make is that we can't have ONE person holding a big microphone. Well, news to you, there is not a single, solitary MAGA holding a single big microphone. There are hundreds of them. And they do have a generalized, overall goal, of promoting White Heterosexual Christian Supremacy (I shouldn't have to explain it at this point as I've talked often enough about that term). The left, for what ever a "liberal Rogan" could possibly be, is far more diverse than the right so will never have a singular, outsized voice.
     
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  24. ceezmad

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    Yes, the liberal Rogan thing is not going to happen, we need multiple influences that hopefully will fight MAGA more than they fight themselves.

    Regardless whilte male conservatives, it's not only them.




     

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